How China Planting 1 Billion Trees Is Bad and other examples of why the west is lost to reality - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...

All general discussion about politics that doesn't belong in any of the other forums.

Moderator: PoFo Political Circus Mods

#15120557
The CCP mandated a program in which over 1 billion trees were planted in a 40 year period and this increased forest coverage from 12% to 22%. Sounds good right?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -the-world

Image

They can't help themselves, can they when it comes to chynah. Muh western mediah.

Image

buh buh muh free publicationz opinion piece. Wrong. They all sing the same sorry melody. :lol:

The constant source of hypocritical amusement is entertaining, however. Share some more cognitive dissonance for our collective amusement.
#15120565
Kinda seems like planting a garden, when you don't know what you are doing. My plants have all died, because I didn't plant the seeds deep enough, just scattered them and covered them with dirt, and they got dislodged when I watered them. I have one prized beat plant remaining, which is actually doing pretty good. Planting the trees was a good idea, but sounds like they planted the wrong kind of trees, and they didn't have examples to go on. For example, I could have studied more about gardening, but they are learning on the fly, when it comes to this geoengineering. And welcome to China, when it comes to bureaucrats wanting quick results. Personally, I think it is a good program, but it does sound like a mess to clean up. We have the same issues here on the west coast of the US, by the way, where it came to logging and then replanting, and trees dying of beatles as a result of how hard we fucked up the environment.
#15120568
wat0n wrote:Can't see the contradictions between praising China for planting trees and criticizing it for the Uighur issue.

Planting trees is probably better than exterminating all sparrows like they did at some point.

Yeah, China is fucked up sometimes. Good thing the 3 Gorges Dam didn't collapse, at least not yet, it's probably inevitable it will.

Kinda like I don't see a contradiction between praising the US for planting trees and criticizing it for having the highest prisoner population, and being constantly at war.
#15120572
wat0n wrote:Can't see the contradictions between praising China for planting trees and criticizing it for the Uighur issue.

Planting trees is probably better than exterminating all sparrows like they did at some point.



WHAT Uighur issue? Is it like the falon gong organ harvesting 'issue', the one completely made up? Now don't post the same study cited by a hundred publications based on one publications interview of 8 political activists. That's where they extrapolated their fake genocide issue. Nevermind Uighur numbers doubled to 8 million in the time span they were supposed to have been eradicated.

Now have fun trying to sell your 'cultural' genocide fall back strategy.

There is no issue in the real world, it only exists in western propaganda. And thus the entire premise of this thread whoooshed over your head like the sparrows you mention.
Last edited by Igor Antunov on 17 Sep 2020 07:04, edited 1 time in total.
#15120602
I have no idea what the rant in the OP is all about.

Fact is, however, that China is one of the most polluting countries in the world. Unbridled industrialization has made China the worst country driving climate change. Planting a few trees really isn't a big deal if you consider the millions of hectares that have been lost in China to desertification due to intensive farming. China is destroying fertile land not only in China but also worldwide, wherever its land-grabbing results in unsustainable intensive farming.
#15120604
Atlantis wrote:I have no idea what the rant in the OP is all about.

Fact is, however, that China is one of the most polluting countries in the world. Unbridled industrialization has made China the worst country driving climate change. Planting a few trees really isn't a big deal if you consider the millions of hectares that have been lost in China to desertification due to intensive farming. China is destroying fertile land not only in China but also worldwide, wherever its land-grabbing results in unsustainable intensive farming.


In 2014 I took a bus trip from Beijing to Inner Mongolia, and I was really impressed by the miles and miles of people who were planting trees along the highway on the way. China has a lot of people. It was an industrious effort. Driving through Inner Mongolia, I was very impressed by the wind turbines and solar panels everywhere. It was in fact the biggest wind power operation in the world. But yeah, China has a lot of issues, too. Having lived there, a lot of people are very conscientious about the environment, and the government does make tough pro environment regulations, like requiring the chemical factories (which were poisoning my local air) to upgrade their systems, or else go bankrupt. China is China. I do think they are trying. The US is sort of the opposite, Americans don't give a fuck, and also the US is still the number one polluter, to my understanding.
#15120622
I'm not sure what the problem with the LA Times is. It published an op-ed by a former inmate without necessarily agreeing with his/ her views. Should we criticise it for publishing letters to the editor too?

Atlantis, if only we could convince the Chinese to invest in electric cars, high speed rail and renewable energy. Oh wait it has more of these than the rest of the world combined. Meanwhile Germany continues to mine brown coal and lobby for fraudulent diesel car manufacturers.
#15120634
Igor Antunov wrote:There is no issue in the real world, it only exists in western propaganda.


:knife:

I trust my daily Swiss newspaper a 1000x more than anything coming out of China.

I recently read an article from a journalist who worked in China for years. The only way a journalist can actually do his job there is by writing about things outside China.
#15120635
Rugoz wrote::knife:

I trust my daily Swiss newspaper a 1000x more than anything coming out of China.

I recently read an article from a journalist who worked in China for years. The only way a journalist can actually do his job there is by writing about things outside China.

Again, China has issues, and I have no problem with people talking all the shit about China they want. It isn't as it is made out in Western media by a long shot, it's a cool place, and western media has a lot of anti-China propaganda. And in China, all media is state controlled. Which, I also do not endorse.
#15120639
Crantag wrote:In 2014 I took a bus trip from Beijing to Inner Mongolia, and I was really impressed by the miles and miles of people who were planting trees along the highway on the way. China has a lot of people. It was an industrious effort. Driving through Inner Mongolia, I was very impressed by the wind turbines and solar panels everywhere. It was in fact the biggest wind power operation in the world. But yeah, China has a lot of issues, too. Having lived there, a lot of people are very conscientious about the environment, and the government does make tough pro environment regulations, like requiring the chemical factories (which were poisoning my local air) to upgrade their systems, or else go bankrupt. China is China. I do think they are trying. The US is sort of the opposite, Americans don't give a fuck, and also the US is still the number one polluter, to my understanding.


I'm not saying that they aren't planting trees. But I don't believe that it even starts to offset the environmental abuse they have committed over the ages. And not every tree planting project has a positive impact. China has always had a large population which required a huge amount of resources, but in ancient times it was by and large sustainable as small-scale family farms enriched the soil with all organic matter at their disposal. Industrialization of farming has really destroyed a lot of land. Almost 60% of China's territory is affected by desertification. While some of it is "natural" desert like the Gobi, a lot of it is degraded farm or grazing land which was destroyed by the kind of industrial scale mindless state-directed projects typical of communist regimes.
#15120641
Atlantis wrote:I'm not saying that they aren't planting trees. But I don't believe that it even starts to offset the environmental abuse they have committed over the ages. And not every tree planting project has a positive impact. China has always had a large population which required a huge amount of resources, but in ancient times it was by and large sustainable as small-scale family farms enriched the soil with all organic matter at their disposal. Industrialization of farming has really destroyed a lot of land. Almost 60% of China's territory is affected by desertification. While some of it is "natural" desert like the Gobi, a lot of it is degraded farm or grazing land which was destroyed by the kind of industrial scale mindless state-directed projects typical of communist regimes.

China has become the factory of the world. But my stance is criticize all you like, just be careful not to buy in to Western propaganda. I know you have been to China, you might speak Chinese, and I know you are intelligent. The Western media regularly runs hit pieces on China, which are probably government commissioned, and are full of shit, like this one in the OP, for example. I just caution to be careful about the propaganda.
#15120645
@Crantag, I have a balanced view about China. In fact, I'm even willing to admit certain merits to the Chinese system that most wouldn't. As to Western propaganda, I have lived all through the cold war at the interface between East and West, where we had an equal dose of propaganda from both sides. I can assure you, that makes you immune to propaganda for life, even without vaccine ;)

I'm even immune to Chinese propaganda and propagandists like Igor.

I also know that China has serious environmental problems that a few trees won't fix. Let's not forget, the constant emergence of new viruses is also due to industrial farming and factory farms where huge amounts of animals are kept under terrible conditions. By using the US as a comparison, you set the bar too low.
#15120749
Crantag wrote:Again, China has issues, and I have no problem with people talking all the shit about China they want. It isn't as it is made out in Western media by a long shot, it's a cool place, and western media has a lot of anti-China propaganda. And in China, all media is state controlled. Which, I also do not endorse.


The media in Europe trash America all the time, at least under Trump and previously unter Dubya. China was seen quite positively until a few years in Xi's presidency. Generally speaking, it depends on what you read of course.
#15120875
Igor Antunov wrote:The CCP mandated a program in which over 1 billion trees were planted in a 40 year period and this increased forest coverage from 12% to 22%. Sounds good right?


Cuba is big on reforesting as well, currently a third of Cuba is green. I guess this is how socialist states do.

Igor Antunov wrote:WHAT Uighur issue? Is it like the falon gong organ harvesting 'issue', the one completely made up? Now don't post the same study cited by a hundred publications based on one publications interview of 8 political activists. That's where they extrapolated their fake genocide issue.


The head of the World Uyghur Congress that's used as a source for the fake genocide got his figures from U.S. media. :D


Igor Antunov wrote:Share some more cognitive dissonance for our collective amusement.








#15120901
Rugoz wrote::knife:

I trust my daily Swiss newspaper a 1000x more than anything coming out of China.

I recently read an article from a journalist who worked in China for years. The only way a journalist can actually do his job there is by writing about things outside China.


Do you trust yourself more? You're free to catch a flight to china and travel that region, go talk to some uighurs. Even those who undertake vocational training every week at one of the 'genocide camps'. Until your swiss newspaper relabels australian TAFE's and other teritary institutions as 'concentration camps' it has no consistency in reality.

I spoke to some youngin uighurs from urumqi on my way back to sydney last time I was there, they were students, going to a melbourne university, paid for by the CPC because chinese minorities get special gibs minorities in the west would be jealous of. Only one of them had swallowed the 'muh chynah' narrative, and wanted to campaign for more ughur gibs; the rest were more interested in finishing their education and had nothing bad to say about muh chynah. They were from poor families, just very smart cookies and thus had won government scholarships to study abroad.

I will go to Xinjiang myself eventually, but I will visit tibet before then. Rent a motrocycle, you can't take it into cities as most ban noisy bikes but you don't need a license and can travel the roads less travelled. No part of china is off limits outside of military bases. Your swiss newspaper lies bruh.

I served, incidentally As did I, in the British […]

Election 2020

You literally justified not counting votes because[…]

Okay, and I have a small request -- could you inc[…]

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/13219872[…]