[Godstud]

@Patrickov I don't care what ineffectual pissants think. I have no sympathy for Trump, who is a horrible human being. I don't need to be lectured about me having to have it, either.

[skinster]

[Finfinder]

I would point out though that within 24 hours Trump received a drug that the rest of us would likely not get.

....And every president should get despite their political affiliation.

[Pants-of-dog]

@Finfinder

You accidentally put a “p” in front of resident.

[Finfinder]

@Finfinder

You accidentally put a “p” in front of resident.

@Pants-of-dog

You accidently forgot you are from Canada, and no one in the USA or the world for that matter cares what Canadians think.

[late]

@Pants-of-dog

You accidentally forgot you are from Canada, and no one in the USA or the world for that matter cares what Canadians think.

I really like what Brits and Canadian think. More Brits than Canadians, but different perspectives, esp these days when the country's gone batsh*t crazy, are a real relief.

[Finfinder]

I really like what Brits and Canadian think. More Brits than Canadians, but different perspectives, esp these days when the country's gone batsh*t crazy, are a real relief.

Your a bleeding heart lib from Maine who doesn't subcribe to your own country first, so no surprise their. The country hasn't gone bat shit crazy, it's just liberals like yourself have had a temper tantrum for the last 4 years because you can't win elections.

[late]

Your a bleeding heart lib from Maine who doesn't subcribe to your own country first, so no surprise their. The country hasn't gone bat shit crazy, it's just liberals like yourself have had a temper tantrum for the last 4 years because you can't win elections.

We did quite nicely in 2018, and we are going to do quite nicely in 2020, might even get the Senate.

We also got rid of a wretched kook, and put a nice Dem in Maine's governors office. What a relief!

Of course, all that's back in the real world... Speaking of which, have you seen the latest polls?

You won't like them.

[Finfinder]

We did quite nicely in 2018, and we are going to do quite nicely in 2020, might even get the Senate.

We also got rid of a wretched kook, and put a nice Dem in Maine's governors office.

Of course, all that's back in the real world... Speaking of which, have you seen the latest polls?

You won't like them.

I was wrong in my first post the liberals haven't had any significant wins for the last 12 years. Granted Obama, but the losses since then are swelled up in this tantrum the left is throwing.

How is it you did well in 2018 what exactly have the liberals accomplished?
Fake impeachment? Let the "Squad" take over the party?


Yea I saw the polls in 2016 and 2020, your point?

[late]

I was wrong in my first post the liberals haven't had any significant wins for the last 12 years. Granted Obama, but the losses since then are swelled up in this tantrum the left is throwing.

How is it you did well in 2018 what exactly have the liberals accomplished?
Fake impeachment? Let the "Squad" take over the party?


Yea I saw the polls in 2016 and 2020, your point?

"The final votes are being counted from the 2018 election. They confirm that the Democrats crushed Republicans. Cox's victory combined with other election results means that Democrats have picked up a net gain of 40 seats. As has oft been repeated, this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974." Blue Tsunami...

I am joyful that we are seeing young Progressives in Congress.

The latest polls show Republicans slipping even further, here's one of them:

"Mr. Biden, the Democratic nominee, leads the president, 53% to 39%, among registered voters in the new poll, which was conducted in the two days following the debate but before news emerged that Mr. Trump had tested positive for Covid-19. Mr. Biden’s 14-point lead compares with an 8-point advantage last month and 11 points in July, which was his largest of the campaign at that time."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-scor ... 1601816400

Are you going to say the WSJ are cwazy wadicals?

[Pants-of-dog]

..... you are from Canada,

No, I live in Canada, but I am not from here.

..
what Canadians think.

Canadians think that if you pay for something, you should be allowed to use it.

You paid for Trump’s treatment. Why should you not also be allowed to get such medical treatment?

[Rancid]

Just talked to my mom (who caught COVID a few months ago if you guys don't recall). She said that she doesn't like Trump , but doesn't want to see him die from this either. Her experience was that it was the most horrible illness she has experienced in her life.

Canadians think that if you pay for something, you should be allowed to use it.

You paid for Trump’s treatment. Why should you not also be allowed to get such medical treatment?

I believe in socialism for the rich. Fuck poor people. Am I right my fellow my "conservatives"?

Now for some rambling.

Seriously though, many Americans are very defeatist and/or subservient to the individuals that run the system. Thus, it's common for Americans to really believe that even though they paid for special treatments for our leaders, those same things we paid for are "not for us." People have been convinced that for example, Trump (or anyone other douche bag politician) is more worthy than they are. This is regardless of political leanings (as I've seen in my experience). It's the same reason that many people don't vote, they are genuinely overwhelmed and scared of the power of voting. They convince themselves that "that's not for me" or that's "out of my league", or "I'm not smart enough", or "I'm not important enough" etc.

Don't get me wrong, people should snap out of the "woe is me" shit, and ultimately the individual has to figure their own worth themselves, but the system doesn't help in this, it does the opposite. The system (and culture) really does beat people's self-respect down to the point that they don't know their own value and worth. As a result, you get people that will actually defend the special treatment of the higher echelons of society and believing they aren't worthy of the same. Modern American society mind fucks the poor and uneducated.

This same cultural feature of America is actually what does bring about so many successful people in different areas of life. Be it business, arts, sports, etc. etc. Those that do not allow the system to beat the will of life out of them, end up going on to do great things. Many people, especially conservatives will use this as the reason to justify the whole system. That it's ok to beat the shit out of people's wills, it's their fault they aren't "snapping out of it.." To some degree, that is right, but also, it doesn't have to be this way. The system shouldn't be putting it's weight on people.

[Beren]

Covid-19 must be real if it makes even Trump somewhat real. I mean he appears to be a real human being with a human face, not the usual orange face clown we're used to. It's too little, too late, though.

[annatar1914]

Covid-19 must be real if it makes even Trump somewhat real. I mean he appears to be a real human being with a human face, not the usual orange face clown we're used to. It's too little, too late, though.

Behold the effect of the Presidency in difficult times...

Lincoln in 1860;



Lincoln in 1865;



I'm not in the President's shoes. I try to remember his humanity, and apparently many Liberals have forgotten both his and theirs.

[Beren]

I can't see your images, but I guess I know what you mean, I just wonder if how it applies to Trump.

So it's all the Liberals' fault that Trump prefers being an orange face arsehole-clown in public and appears to be a real human being with a human face only by accident, @annatar1914? I wonder if which Trump his base would want him to be and how he's going to return to the campaign trail.

[Atlantis]

So, Trump could have literally infected hundreds of people and the White House either doesn't know or doesn't want us to know how many people may have been exposed to the virus.

Local Officials Haven’t Heard from the White House on COVID-19 Contact Tracing

White House physician Sean Conley gives an update on the condition of US President Donald Trump, on Oct. 3, 2020, at Walter Reed Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. Credit - BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP—Getty Images

In the days immediately preceding President Donald Trump’s COVID-19 diagnosis, he and his aides travelled to five states, holding several rallies and crowded indoor events with large groups of people. But there’s no clear indication that the White House is playing its stated role as the coordinator of a critical contact tracing effort that could help stem the spread of the virus, according to local and state health officials.

At a press conference on Oct. 3, Trump’s personal physician said the White House was at the center of the contact tracing effort. “The White House medical unit, in collaboration with CDC and local state and health departments, are conducting all contact tracing per CDC guidelines,” said White House physician Dr. Sean Conley.

But in response to questions from TIME, local and state health officials in many of the locations that Trump recently visited indicated the Trump Administration has taken few evident steps on contact tracing to date. Officials in four states—Minnesota, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Virginia—stated or suggested they had not been contacted by the Trump campaign. Officials with the city of Cleveland, where the presidential debate was held Sept. 29, did not respond to an inquiry, and the Cleveland Clinic declined to comment on that topic.

In response to a TIME inquiry about contact tracing, the Trump campaign pointed to Conley’s comment saying the White House Medical Unit was doing the tracing. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) referred TIME to the White House, which said the White House Medical Unit was doing contact tracing in coordination with CDC personnel.

“A full contact tracing consistent with CDC guidelines was completed for the Minnesota trip. The President did not have any interactions that would be considered close based on CDC guidelines, which is more than 15 minutes within six feet. During the fundraiser and rally, the President was more than six feet away from all participants,” White House spokesperson Brian Morgenstern said on Saturday. “All White House staff considered to be in close contact during this trip have been identified, contacted and recommended to quarantine.”

Morgenstern added that this applied to Trump’s travel to Virginia and New Jersey this week as well, but referred questions about the presidential debate in Cleveland to the Trump campaign. He also said that the White House did not do contact tracing for Trump’s event in Pennsylvania last weekend because it considered the event outside the scope of time necessary to do tracing.

Trump first announced he tested positive for COVID-19 early on the morning of Oct. 2, saying he and First Lady Melania Trump would begin self-quarantining immediately. At this point, however, the coronavirus had been circling among the President’s staff for an undetermined length of time.

Senior advisor Hope Hicks began exhibiting symptoms on Sept. 30 when she flew with the President on Air Force One to a rally in Minnesota, according to Bloomberg. By Oct. 1, Hicks had tested positive, and soon the list of cases in Trump’s orbit began to mount. Bill Stepien, the Trump campaign manager; Ronna McDaniel, the Chairwoman of the Republican National Committee; former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and former White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, who recently spent time with Trump preparing for the first presidential debate; and multiple Senators who had recently attended events with Trump all tested positive in a matter of days.

It remains unclear where the cluster of cases among White House staffers and Senators originated, but scientists know that people infected with COVID-19 can be contagious 48 to 72 hours before they start exhibiting symptoms, and many of the now-infected officials were present at an event held by the President in the last week. This has left some local officials and event attendees wondering who may have been exposed to the deadly virus.

Doug Schultz, public information officer for Minnesota’s Department of Health, says the state has not been contacted by the White House or Trump campaign about contact tracing, nor has the state been provided a list of people who may have potentially been infected. Trump visited two cities in Minnesota on Sept. 30, for a fundraiser and a rally.

“We have not at this time received any list from anyone,” Schultz told TIME. “Those things do take time, so it could take a few days before that were to happen.”

It also doesn’t appear that there has been outreach from the White House to Minnesota officials on a local level. Kate Van Daele, public information officer for the city of Duluth, where Trump held a rally, said neither the campaign nor the White House had contacted the city directly. “We couldn’t even get an answer on how many people they let into the event,” Van Daele said.

Trump also held a fundraiser at a private residence in Shorewood, Minn. An email to Marty Davis, the GOP donor linked to the home where the fundraiser took place, went unanswered. (One attendee told the Star Tribune that about 40 people attended and were asked to wait in their car as they awaited the results of a COVID-19 test.) But a health official for Hennepin County, where Shorewood is located, said the county had not heard from the Trump campaign or the White House about contact tracing.

“I have not heard of anything like that – as of yesterday,” Carolyn Marinan, PIO for Hennepin County, said in an email. “I am certain someone from our Public Health area would have reached out to me with any significant updates.” A statement from the county noted that because it had not been provided a list of the attendees at the fundraiser, local officials were unclear on how many county residents were present.

The other large campaign rally Trump attended in the last week took place on Sept. 26 in Middletown, Penn., where local officials also said they have not heard from the federal government about contact tracing efforts. Ian Reddinger, Middletown Council President, told TIME he had not heard anything from the White House, the Trump Campaign or Rep. Scott Perry, a Republican whose district includes the area and who attended the rally.

Before his trip to Minnesota, the President traveled to Cleveland to debate former Vice President Joe Biden. While he stood eight feet apart from his Democratic rival, the two spent approximately 90 minutes in an indoor setting, speaking loudly without a face covering—the exact kind of setting that public health experts have been warning against. Trump’s family also refused to wear masks while sitting in the audience for the debate, violating the rules set by Cleveland Clinic, the debate’s host and one of the country’s leading research institutions. Eleven people associated with preparations for the debate have since tested positive for COVID-19 in addition to those in Trump’s orbit, though they did not enter the debate hall on Tuesday, according to the Cleveland Clinic.

The Cleveland Clinic said it was reaching out to debate guests to address any concerns they had, and the city said it would continue its normal contact tracing operations working with the Ohio Department of Health and the CDC. But neither the city nor the Cleveland Clinic commented on whether they had received any outreach from the White House or the Trump campaign.

Before announcing his COVID-19 diagnosis, Trump also travelled to Bedminster, N.J., for a roundtable with supporters and a fundraiser at his golf club. New Jersey’s Department of Health and local health officials for Somerset County have launched their own contact tracing effort. Asked by TIME whether New Jersey health officials had heard from the White House or Trump campaign as Conley indicated, Dawn Thomas, a spokesperson for the state Department of Health, said: “New Jersey officials have been informed that the federal government is also conducting contact tracing investigations.”

In Virginia, where Trump went golfing at his club outside Washington, D.C., on Sept. 27, local health officials seemed unclear as to who was taking the lead in contact tracing. The Loudoun County Health Department director said there was a lack of clarity when it came to jurisdiction, and referred TIME to the lead agency conducting the case for information about what places they thought merited investigation as a result of Trump’s diagnosis.

“Contact tracing would be done by the federal authorities in this case not us in regards to the President,” said Larry Hill, public information officer for the Virginia Department of Health. “If they needed our assistance we would provide support but I am not aware of a request.”

[annatar1914]

@Beren ;

I can't see your images, but I guess I know what you mean, I just wonder if how it applies to Trump.

Him being President and all...

Responsibility lies heavy on those who run the government, whether they are fools who avoid responsibility or those who take on that cross. I can't see the man's heart, but we all have one.

So it's all the Liberals' fault that Trump prefers being an orange face arsehole-clown in public and appears to be a real human being with a human face only by accident, @annatar1914?

I was never one of those people who mocked the appearance of government officials, regardless of what I might have thought of them. It's a relic of the declining era of ''representative democracy'' that we the ''Sovereign People'' feel it important to make light of and attack those who we elect to public service. Who in God's Name would even take on such a burden? Politicians both flattering and lying to the ''Sovereign People'' all the time; they'd have to be some strange mixture of a sociopath, even a psychopath, and a masochist. An actor/actress.

And this man President Trump isn't a politician, which explains why he is universally hated among the politicians and their kept whores in the media and entertainment industries. And among the Capitalists who buy and sell politicians too.

The only people who have supported him are the decent hard working regular people in ''fly-over'' country, the ''Deplorables'' that have the temerity of continuing to try to live as they have for decades now, who keep the lights on and the shelves full.

[Rich]

Him being President and all...

Responsibility lies heavy on those who run the government, whether they are fools who avoid responsibility or those who take on that cross. I can't see the man's heart, but we all have one.



I was never one of those people who mocked the appearance of government officials, regardless of what I might have thought of them. It's a relic of the declining era of ''representative democracy'' that we the ''Sovereign People'' feel it important to make light of and attack those who we elect to public service. Who in God's Name would even take on such a burden? Politicians both flattering and lying to the ''Sovereign People'' all the time; they'd have to be some strange mixture of a sociopath, even a psychopath, and a masochist. An actor/actress.

And this man President Trump isn't a politician,

Virus on the storm
Virus on the storm
Into the House Dems stormed
From the Speakers Chair we're thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out alone
Virus on the storm
There's a killer in the air
His brain is squirmin' like a toad
Take a long holiday
Don't Let your children play
If ya give this man a vote
Sweet memory will die
Killer in the air, yeah
Melania, ya gotta love your man
Melania, ya gotta love your man
Take him by the hand
Make him understand
The world on you depends
Our life will never end
Gotta love your man, yeah…

[annatar1914]

Virus on the storm
Virus on the storm
Into the House Dems stormed
From the Speakers Chair we're thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out alone
Virus on the storm
There's a killer in the air
His brain is squirmin' like a toad
Take a long holiday
Don't Let your children play
If ya give this man a vote
Sweet memory will die
Killer in the air, yeah
Melania, ya gotta love your man
Melania, ya gotta love your man
Take him by the hand
Make him understand
The world on you depends
Our life will never end
Gotta love your man, yeah…

Jim Morrison would approve, and I think he does, still being alive with a new life all these years and all, lol.

When you have a different cosmology than most in the modern age, the real one in fact, it grants you some insights others cannot grasp.

[what kid marley]

donald trump tests + 4 covid

who cares