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By Julian658
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Unthinking Majority wrote:This is the truth.

Also, the US may be a beacon of light for some, but @QatzelOk is right in that the US isn't a beacon of light for others.

Life is about getting ground into the dirt and fighting back when you can while not letting anger and resentment destroy you in the process. It's a brutal chess game of moves and countermoves against a world filled with people trying to stomp on you to get ahead, and sometimes you will get outsmarted and lose a valuable chess piece, and if you can't get it back you tip your cap to your opponent, learn from your mistake so that hole in your game isn't exposed again, then worry about your next move...

It's ok to cry when you've been hurt, but if you're too caught up in the past you will never put it behind you and move forward. It's a lot harder to move forward when you're carrying the weight of the past on your back.


That was a an awesome post. Here in the USA we have an ongoing experiment that suggests that embracing victimhood is markedly detrimental. Immigrants from Africa and the West Indies thrive in America and do better than American blacks. One would think that if the system was holding down American blacks it would also hold down black immigrants with even greater efficacy as they are foreigners. And yet this is not what happens. American blacks lag behind black immigrants because they are consumed with the idea of embracing the role of the noble victim.

And let's not forget the immigrants from East Asia and India who outperformed whites on a regular basis. What do Asians, Indians, and black immigrants have in common? They are not immersed in victimhood. They do not see racism in every corner; they see opportunity in every corner.

Left wing leaders do not want to see this because it would destroy the lucrative successful narrative of perennial racism. This is the ticket the left uses to get into power.

I am not saying there is no racism. However, racism continues to decrease and it is mot what it used to be.
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Let us assume that all of the comments made by @Julian658 about victimhood are correct.

Please note that this thread is about the apparent victimhood of Trump and his people who are the poor innocent victims of a stolen election and this justifies calling for violence against anyone who opposes them.
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By Julian658
#15141087
Pants-of-dog wrote:Let us assume that all of the comments made by @Julian658 about victimhood are correct.

Please note that this thread is about the apparent victimhood of Trump and his people who are the poor innocent victims of a stolen election and this justifies calling for violence against anyone who opposes them.

I was simply pointing out the drawback of the victimhood syndrome. By the way, you also seem to suffer from victimhood. You are one of those that sees racism everywhere.
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Julian658 wrote:That was a an awesome post. Here in the USA we have an ongoing experiment that suggests that embracing victimhood is markedly detrimental. Immigrants from Africa and the West Indies thrive in America and do better than American blacks. One would think that if the system was holding down American blacks it would also hold down black immigrants with even greater efficacy as they are foreigners. And yet this is not what happens. American blacks lag behind black immigrants because they are consumed with the idea of embracing the role of the noble victim.

And let's not forget the immigrants from East Asia and India who outperformed whites on a regular basis. What do Asians, Indians, and black immigrants have in common? They are not immersed in victimhood. They do not see racism in every corner; they see opportunity in every corner.

Left wing leaders do not want to see this because it would destroy the lucrative successful narrative of perennial racism. This is the ticket the left uses to get into power.

I am not saying there is no racism. However, racism continues to decrease and it is mot what it used to be.

The left and the right are both partially correct. The left is correct in that there are wrongs that have occurred and still occur and should be righted. But the right is correct in that people also need to be responsible for their own actions too.

I think people can and should rightfully speak out about being victimized and seek an end of that and/or redress, while at the same time not falling into the "victim mentality" trap where all of one's problems are automatically blamed on somebody else in order to avoid any sense of responsibility for ones own actions or inactions.

The problem is the former is much easier than the latter.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Please note that this thread is about the apparent victimhood of Trump and his people who are the poor innocent victims of a stolen election and this justifies calling for violence against anyone who opposes them.

Agreed.

I personally don't believe anything coming from anyone connected to government without evidence. If Trump's team thinks widespread fraud occurred, the onus is on them to provide the evidence to a court.
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By QatzelOk
#15141160
Unthinking Majority wrote:Also, the US may be a beacon of light for some....

Other than Goldman Sachs and Micronesia, I can't think of anyone.

Who would you add to my tiny list?
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By QatzelOk
#15141185
Unthinking Majority wrote:Most everybody white has done well by the US's "shining beacon".


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