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#15161056
Two words....... Meir Kahane.....



The man is basically the sole reason anti-semetism became so quickly resurgent after the Holocaust and the foundation of the Jewish state. I mean what kind of monster believed in sending the message to the world that Christians should be kicked out of Israel, and their churches should all be burnt down, in THE LAND OF JESUS. Let alone all the other shit he spouted.

I would be disgusted if anyone said he didn't deserve that bullet in the head for all the shit he sprouted. The Muslim who did it, he was a hero, at least on that occasion since he did the world a massive favour. Live by the sword, died by the sword.

I suspect had he gotten the level of power Hitler had, he probably would have been worse.

I also have a few choice words for the man on the right of that Photoshopped thumbnail, but at least he isn't actually as ideologically straight up evil as Kahane was. Even if his decisions have actually killed people.
#15161105
Worst in what sense? Even in terms of his treatment of Jews, Saud bin Abdulaziz Al Saud was worse than Hitler. I mean Al Saud must have been totally shocked by Kristallnacht, that Hitler had allowed all those Jewish businesses to remain open five years after taking power. Yet I have no hesitation in fully endorsing the Allies alliance with Al Saud against Hitler and the West's alliance with Al Saud against the Soviet union in the Cold War.

In every day life in prosperous western nations its good that people generally treat morality as absolute. Someone might think, I could kill him, get away with it and get a promotion at work. Everyone dies, people die in car accidents, what's it matter if one more person dies a bit early. Or one might think Thomas Jefferson had at least one sex slave, as well as many other slaves, why shouldn't I kidnap a woman and keep her captive in my basement? Its hardly a big deal compared to all the oppression that goes on in the world and in history. We have a name for such people, who treat morals as relative in every day life. We call them psychopaths.

So yes its good most of the time that most people in modern prosperous western nations treat morality as absolute. However as soon as we try and apply morality in an absolute way across cultures, across history, in dictatorships or in warfare, we are led in to contradiction, hypocrisy and absurdity. Even in peace time in modern western countries, governments must make decisions that will save the lives or drastically improve the lives of some, but will cost the lives or drastically worsen the lives of others. Even in peace time in modern western countries governments can not avoid "playing God" and by implication just being voter means you can not avoid "Playing God" and even the choice to not vote is still "playing God" with people's lives.

Who knows what would have happened if Neville Chamberlain had not led Britain and France into war in 1939. Maybe things would have turned out for the better. All I can say is, in as much as I can identity as a British, French or American person of the time, its seems to me to have been the right thing to do. However if I had been a German, a Hungarian or a Finn, at the time I might well have seen things differently. But that does not mean I see Hitler as evil in an absolute sense. If he had been Fuhrer of El Salvador during the Cold War I probably wouldn't have been morally exercised about him.
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#15161129
Alan Dulles …………….. While JFK was in the process of shutting down the invasion of Vietnam, Dulles put JFK's brains on the street and, then, the green light was flashed to continue the invasion which resulted in a few million dead Vietnamese and huge profits for American war profiteers.
#15161136
jimjam wrote:Alan Dulles …………….. While JFK was in the process of shutting down the invasion of Vietnam, Dulles put JFK's brains on the street and, then, the green light was flashed to continue the invasion which resulted in a few million dead Vietnamese and huge profits for American war profiteers.


@jimjam ,

And Allen Dulles actually was fond of Fascists of all stripes from the 1920's to his demise. Him and his brother John have a lot to answer for, in my opinion.
#15161182
late wrote:Yes.

No.

There's a million conspiracy theories about JFK. None of them are worth a damn without direct evidence, which none of them have.


re: the murder of JFK permit me to recommend "JFK and the unspeakable" by James W. Douglas. Supported by 102 pages of notes and backup. It was recommended reading by RFK. Dulles was even part of the farcical "Warren Commission" which he guided to the lone gunman fairy tale. You will have no doubts on the situation after this read.

post script: Did you know that Dallas was Plan B? JFK was almost led into a similar killing zone in Chicago a few weeks prior to Dallas.

Rancid wrote:didn' the mafia kill JFK for not helping ot take back Cuba for the mob?

The mafia and the CIA frequently worked hand in glove. The guy (s) who pulled the triggers on JFK were in all likely hood mafia trigger men but their participation was largely irrelevant. Trigger man are a dime a dozen.

post script #2: I had an uncle in the CIA. He never told me but I found evidence in the attic; he also had a 1940's copy of Mein Kamph in his library.
#15161200
Torus34 wrote:@colliric:

A question: what is meant by 'worst? What are the criteria?

Regards, stay safe 'n well.


Well my choice was based on the extreme nature of the political ideology and what I perceive as the downright psychotic racist nature of the individual I selected. I mean he basically stood for "Jewish Nazism".

But of course some will choose "death/murder toll" or other reasons.

I'm glad that my choice took a bullet before he could get into the Prime Ministership(or win some other high office in that state, or pull the ruling party in his direction) and do a significant amount of damage.
#15162643
Definition of fascism
A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

If you change a couple of words you end up with the definition of communism:

Definition of communism:
A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts the the proletariat and collective above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

I vote for Mao and Stalin. They killed lots of humans.
#15162654
late wrote:A better question would be who was the worst dictator?

Do that, and Stalin deserves a dishonorable mention.

But. really, it's Genghis Khan. As a percentage of the total population killed, nobody else even comes close.

Not only that. He fathered thousands of children . To this date a huge portion of the population of the world are descendants of GK.

Genghis Khan died ~750 years ago, so assuming 25 years per generation, you get about 30 men between the present and that period. In more quantitative terms, ~10% of the men who reside within the borders of the Mongol Empire as it was at the death of Genghis Khan may carry his Y chromosome, and so ~0.5% of men in the world, about 16 million individuals alive today, do so.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sc ... nghis-khan

He made up for the ones he killed!
#15163193
colliric wrote:Two words....... Meir Kahane.....



The man is basically the sole reason anti-semetism became so quickly resurgent after the Holocaust and the foundation of the Jewish state. I mean what kind of monster believed in sending the message to the world that Christians should be kicked out of Israel, and their churches should all be burnt down, in THE LAND OF JESUS. Let alone all the other shit he spouted.

I would be disgusted if anyone said he didn't deserve that bullet in the head for all the shit he sprouted. The Muslim who did it, he was a hero, at least on that occasion since he did the world a massive favour. Live by the sword, died by the sword.

I suspect had he gotten the level of power Hitler had, he probably would have been worse.

I also have a few choice words for the man on the right of that Photoshopped thumbnail, but at least he isn't actually as ideologically straight up evil as Kahane was. Even if his decisions have actually killed people.

In addition to Meir Kahane , I would add Yitzhak Shamir , whom actually sympathized with the Nazis , and attempted to collaborate with the Third Reich , during World War II . https://socialistworker.org/2012/07/23/tell-the-truth-about-shamir , https://dissidentvoice.org/2012/07/the-zionist-nazi-collaboration/

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