[QatzelOk]

between 1974 and 1978

So this war happened in the modern period, while species were being victimized by a reduction in their territories.

And the way we share information means that we don't acknowledge how these two things were doubtlessly connected.

Money informs all our discussions with money-logic. Even our anti-society anti-oligarchy memes are often produced by oligarchs themselves as a kind of "vaccine" against real revisionism.

Why don't you start coming up with solutions for society instead of complaining.

The first step in solving a major problem... is *to realize that we have a problem.*

In our current oligarch-funded propaganda world, this is a major stumbling block for most people.

And once you realize what the problem is... the solutions already exist. You just don't realize that we need them yet.

All the socially-constructed "realities" have blinded us to both our problems and the solutions to them.

You are essentially saying, “Not only should the powerful alpha males be able to hoard all the property and wealth, let’s also give them the green light to collect all the women they can.”

No. What I'm saying is that "powerful alpha males," "property," and "wealth" are all socially constructed, and thus play no part in facilitating human species survival.

Real power is not the same as "socially-constructed power." Darwin indicates that "real power" is the power to live harmoniously with the terrain that is provided by nature. Not all species have this power, but our species has the power to destroy the terrain! (through social contruction).

[ckaihatsu]

memes are [...] a kind of "vaccine" against real revisionism.

You're using the term 'revisionism' strangely here, Qatzel -- you happen to mean the term in a customized / personal *positive* way, that-is 'reform'.

'Revisionism' tends to have a *negative* connotation, meaning the-deliberate-changing-of-history -- Orwellian Stalinism, basically.

No contention otherwise.

[ckaihatsu]

And, UM, please stop conflating leftist aims with rightist aims. Thank you.


3-Dimensional Axes of Social Reality

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A 2012 comparative politics textbook distinguishes between the "conservative–corporatist welfare state" (arising from the German social market economy) and the "labor-led social democratic welfare state".[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

[ckaihatsu]

A 2012 comparative politics textbook distinguishes between the "conservative–corporatist welfare state" (arising from the German social market economy) and the "labor-led social democratic welfare state".[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

Also please note the objective 'differing interests' -- indicated by the arrows in the following diagram -- between inherent empirical interests in *less* productivity (nature, existing-society, and labor), and interests in *greater* productivity (individual needs, wants, and the social administration *over* all such production).


Social Production Worldview

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[QatzelOk]

You're using the term 'revisionism' strangely here, Qatzel -- you happen to mean the term in a customized / personal *positive* way, that-is 'reform'.

We're using the English language in this forum, so any limits that the English language has are bound to complicate and limit our understanding of what we are attempting to discuss.

In English, the connotations are often more powerful than the actual denotative meanings of the words. Sure, I could have said "reforms" or "reformation," but those English words have also been marinated in propaganda in ways that skew their meanings.

Social construction is full of follies like the one you have casually mentionned. And this is important because most of our socially-constructed reality has been contaminated by not just power, but also by the limits of language.