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Jane Jacobs studied a poor Boston neighborhood and found it had better stats than the richer surrounding neighborhoods.

They had real community.

It is possible for the poor to have a lot more than friendship, but that needs to happen in an environment that makes it possible.
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That article is about a widow living in Pakistan, hardly a general example for living in poverty around the world. That village is small and how they treat her for being widow is not the norm in modern day society. Not every widow is looked at like a woman who wants to steal someone else's husband. I feel bad for her and I wish she could move to a friendlier place and have someone help her out more. But such is life. We all have our struggles and help is not always available so we do what we can to get by. :(
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Negotiator wrote:
Apparently you are unaware that most people do NOT live in modern society ?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?



Apparently you are unaware that most people don't live in Pakistan.
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Beren wrote:
It's rather rich people who don't have friends.



Back in the 70s, I was appraising real estate for tax purposes.

I was in Conn, in a bedroom community for NYC. I went to this estate, prob worth a million back then, and this old lady came to the door.

When I was in Vermont, I appraised an old home with a retired couple. A kitchen cabinet was open, and there was a stack of cat food cans. No cat..

I felt less sorry for that retired couple than I did for that rich old lady. One glance and you knew her life was a lonely misery.

It doesn't have to be that way, but it happens.
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Negotiator wrote::eek:

Apparently you are unaware that most people do NOT live in modern society ?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?


What is your definition of modern society? Are you saying that that woman's life is representative of the average life of a woman living in poverty? Last I checked, not every neighborhood is so distrustful of widow(er)hood. In some neighborhoods, people mind their own business and they do not closely monitor a widow/widower's movements at night. It sounds like Big Brother over there. :eek:

@late Right on! We cannot all possibly fit in Pakistan. :lol:
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late wrote:I felt less sorry for that retired couple than I did for that rich old lady. One glance and you knew her life was a lonely misery.

It's rather the rich as well who don't have children.

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Err ... the rich can have other rich people as friends, easy.

Or can literally PAY people to fake being their friends, too.

Which they clearly do extensively: https://exxpress.at/world-economic-foru ... usgebucht/
Translation:
World Economic Forum Davos: Escort agencies already booked up

[...]

Businesswomen attending the meeting had been repeatedly warned by the organisers. They are "regularly harassed" by wealthy men, with the "behaviour so common" that they are not invited to the events alone.




late wrote:Apparently you are unaware that most people don't live in Pakistan.


Why would that matter ? Pakistan here is just an example for countless countries outside the west, just like the lady in question is just an example of how people live in such countries.

I had no control in what the author of that article wrote about, I just thought the end result is insightful and talks about something important that rarely if ever is getting talked about.
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Negotiator wrote:Err ... the rich can have other rich people as friends, easy.

Sure, although they rather buy private islands for themselves if they can, where they can be completely alone and isolated whenever they want to. Which may be considered the greatest benefit of being rich.
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MistyTiger wrote:That article is about a widow living in Pakistan, hardly a general example for living in poverty around the world.


Actually, Pakistan is a fairly middle-income country and its people live pretty close to the world average.

In rich countries, we have thousands of homeless people. Does anybody care about them? Do they have any friends? Why do the homed allow this situation to continue?

If you can answer these questions, you can also figure out why the people of Pakistan live in a society that social banishes certain types of people as well.

Does banishing make "the unbanished" feel better living in their flawed societies?
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QatzelOk wrote:Actually, Pakistan is a fairly middle-income country and its people live pretty close to the world average.

In rich countries, we have thousands of homeless people. Does anybody care about them? Do they have any friends? Why do the homed allow this situation to continue?

If you can answer these questions, you can also figure out why the people of Pakistan live in a society that social banishes certain types of people as well.

Does banishing make "the unbanished" feel better living in their flawed societies?


I suppose it might make the unbanished feel better. They feel superior. This is one reason why I am against organized religion. They tend to put labels on people and it feels very judgmental and hateful.
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MistyTiger wrote:I suppose it might make the unbanished feel better. They feel superior. This is one reason why I am against organized religion. They tend to put labels on people and it feels very judgmental and hateful.

In most Western societies, the shared "religion" is consumerism and technology.

So Westerners drive by the homeless, happy that their high speed and powerful sound system are able to block out the human misery all around them.

Are you against the organized religion that is consumerism as well? Look how callous the practitioners are.
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QatzelOk wrote:In most Western societies, the shared "religion" is consumerism and technology.

So Westerners drive by the homeless, happy that their high speed and powerful sound system are able to block out the human misery all around them.

Are you against the organized religion that is consumerism as well? Look how callous the practitioners are.


I sort of am against consumerism which is why I am often one of the last to adapt to new technology. When smart watches came out and people rushed to buy one, I held back. In fact, I still do not own a smart watch. I do not see the point and I know it's a ploy to get my money. But I know I am a consumer, cannot deny that.
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Negotiator wrote:Or can literally PAY people to fake being their friends, too.


If this is the case, then that means the rich person has no friends. After all, if your friends are fake....well... that means they are fake (i.e. not real). :lol:

Anyway, loneliness is a bigger problem in developed (i.e. rich) societies as far as I can tell. Poor people usually need a community in order to survive being poor. A side benefit of this is that they make more friends. Richer people don't need that since they have money, so they can live a life in isolation while paying for the things they need to live, and many do just that these days. Let's also be clear, this isn't limited to the rich, even the middle classes in developed countries are lonely and friendless as shit too.

I grew up in a poor neighborhood. There was more of a community there than where I am now (although, my street is unusually communal for some reason). Where I am now is all middle and upper middle class, and mostly white. In my old neighborhood, many people knew each other, many would share/trade the food they grew at their homes (to save money on buying food), people would cook for each other (it gave people an excuse to visit each other to pass the time... no netflix/tv/internet/etc which costs money). People traded skills; for example, my dad would fix people's cars, and those people would often help my dad using a skill they had. Often the people he helped with their cars had some skill like plumbing or carpentry. They would "pay back" my dad by doing that kind of work at our house (which saves money). People would take care of each others kids as well (i.e. to not pay to send kids to day care). Even though the community was born out of necessity to survive as poor people, it ends up building bonds/friendships between various people. This is why so many poor people are very happy.

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