[Dark Canuck]

http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1798&mode=thread&order=0

That article asks the question, and answers it by a fashion.
I would say all conservatives conserve is thier own wealth and greed.

[Freedom]

Ugh what a crap article.

Two faults:

1)It assumes that the Republican party is the sole bastion of conservatism
2)It assumes that all self described conservatives are free-trade globalists

The article rarely, if ever mentions the topic of "conserving". It takes two subjectively correct assumptions and runs with them to achieve its populist ends.

As to the question "what do conservatives want to conserve?" the answer is simple cultural traditions, family values and religios heritage.

The article is very easily rebuted, by applying the same standards lefties ask us to apply to them. If the british Labour Party goes wholesale on privatisation and fight a war alongside the devil himself, does that make it a universal Left-Wing thing to do? Not even close heh?

Really these things are getting stupid. If you want to find out about conservatism do some reading of conservative literature yourself, come to your own conclusion. Articles like this are just a waste of space....

[The American Lion]

http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1798&mode=thread&order=0

That article asks the question, and answers it by a fashion.
I would say all conservatives conserve is thier own wealth and greed.

Whats wrong with that? I admit im a greedy capitalistic pig dog. But its our choice. Also that we dont believe we need the government to give us everything we need. If we wanted us to be slaved by the government. Well be voting for the communist or the Socialist party.

[Boondock Saint]

Now Freedom probably knows my political leanings but he might not expect this ...

Conservatives ... yea ... they arent the next coming of the anti-Christ.

A conservative person isnt someone who wants others to suffer ... they simply want things to remain stable.

What does a conservative want to conserve? Thats probably the most vague question I have ever heard ... that would be like asking what to liberals want to make liberal?

Its just far too complicated to try and simplify that ...

I would imagine a Catholic wishes to preserve the church, their belief in God, their right to teach their children the teaching of the church and the right to practise their religious beliefs without persecution from states.

That would be one example of what a conservative Catholic would want to conserve.

A person who wishes to conserve the evironment may wish to keep the trees and forests and lakes and rivers of their region clean and healthy ... these people arent some backwards imperialists ... they simply want to ensure that the natural beuty of their nation remains ...

Fiscally conservatives ... now this is something different all together ... and far too confusing for me to get into because I am a dolt. But I will say that an open market capitalist system is NOT a conservative system ...

I could go on ... but I wont.

[Dark Canuck]

[John Brand is a Purple Heart, Combat Infantry veteran of World War II. He received his Juris Doctor degree at Northwestern University and a Master of Theology and a Doctor of Ministry at Southern Methodist University. He served as a Methodist minister for 19 years, was Vice President, Birkman & Associates, Industrial Psychologists, and concluded his career as Director, Organizational and Human Resources, Warren-King Enterprises, an independent oil and gas company. He is the author of "Shaking the Foundations" and "Rebuilding the Foundations".]

So... of course. A guy with such paltry credentials on polotics and theology knows nothing about all those issues. (end sarcasm)

Your arguments against conservative greed might carry merit if we weren't constantly being hit in the face with evidence to the contrary. Haliburton anyone?

[Freedom]

So... of course. A guy with such paltry credentials on polotics and theology knows nothing about all those issues. (end sarcasm

Yep, thats pretty much the height of it. Sarcasm or no sarcasm.

Your arguments against conservative greed might carry merit if we weren't constantly being hit in the face with evidence to the contrary. Haliburton anyone?

Again your assuming that the Republican Party is the be all and end all of conservatism.

[Dark Canuck]

IF the republican party isn't the epitome of the conservative ideal, what is?

[Comrade Ogilvy]

Conservatives conserves idiocy.

[Comrade Ogilvy]

IF the republican party isn't the epitome of the conservative ideal, what is?

For what type of conservative? I could say the same thing about the "Liberal" ideal. What about libertarians? Where would you put them on this chart? Although ideologically liberal in most respects, their stances tend to rub self-described liberals wrong on most occasions. Same for conservatives if it comes to that. People that feel strongly about the Democratic or Republican Party don't really like libertarians much.

It's an article against the stances of some Republicans. I've yet to see one point brought against conservatives in it.

[SueDeNîmes.]

Conservatives as individuals usually seek to conserve whatever will mitigate whatever they happen to dislike in society. The political parties that pretend to represent them usually seek to conserve one thing : privilege.

[Goranhammer]

As a conservative, I want to conserve...

- Morals

- My way of life

- My paycheck

- The status quo

And like it was said earlier, Republicans are not the alpha and omega of conservatism. It is in your liberal nature to pigeonhole everything you do not understand. Don't worry...you are not alone in this. Millions think exactly like you do, so much that the rightists consider it "normal".

It's quite simple. Conservatives are haves...liberals are have-nots.

Only three people would say they'd rather live the life of a have-not. A fool, a liar, or a Buddhist.

[Boondock Saint]

It's quite simple. Conservatives are haves...liberals are have-nots.

*blink*

And your the one who said ...

It is in your liberal nature to pigeonhole everything you do not understand

That ... is far too simple my good freind ... far far far too simple.

Lots of liberals are haves and lots of conservatives are have nots ... you cant just 'pigionhole' people like that ...

I am a 'have' and I am liberal ... (socially though personally I am so conservative I make Bush seems like an acloholic coke head )

[Freedom]

Indeed, thats a pretty sweeping generalization Goran. The term "Limousine Liberal" comes to mind. The majority of liberals are middle class well off people.

Whereas conservatives generally take from the two extremes rich business men(especially if the conservative movement is in bed with the Globalisation movement) and poorer country folk with traditional Christian values, because in the words of someone who's name I forget "Conservatives play to the ignorance of the poor".

[Goranhammer]

Yeah, I'll give you both credit for that. A bit of why I said that was angst against liberalist views that are so narrow-minded and foolish that it almost requires you to lash out.

I'm the one that says stereotypes are everywhere and thrown out of control, and that's what I did there. I retract it, no matter how much I am inclined to believe it. My apologies.

Being an ultra-rightist on a forum that is 90% leftists, I hope I'm given a reprieve every now and then.