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America’s Future is Red, Europe’s is Green

From the desk of Paul Belien on Fri, 2006-11-17 23:46
A friend who is close to the so-called “paleoconservatives” – who (unlike the Democrats) opposed the Iraq war from the start (i.e. they did not vote for it before they voted against it) – mailed me a recent article at salon.com in which one Gary Kamiya, following last week’s American mid-term elections, is quick to announce the death of neoconservatism. I think, however, that he is wrong.

Kamiya points out that Irving Kristol once defined neoconservatism as “liberalism mugged by reality” and adds that this explains why the ideology acquired so many adherents after 9/11. For exactly this reason I suspect we have not seen the end of neoconservatism yet. Reality is bound to mug us again. Some fear that the world may experience something worse than 9/11. One recurrent fear is that a large Western urban centre may witness a terror attack with nuclear weapons, which could cause at least the devastation of Hiroshima and millions of casualties.

Some will say this is scaremongering. However, before September 11th 2001, no-one – not even those in the West who hold the premise that the Palestinians (or the Muslims in general) have reason to be angry with the West – was expecting a terror act of the magnitude of 9/11. What happened on that dreadful day was of an unimaginable scale. We have come to realize that some people will stop at nothing.

According to Gary Kamiya the Palestinians feel powerless and “As everyone who has studied terrorism knows, powerless people turn to terrorism.” I have not studied terrorism but I think Kamiya (and the “everyone” he is referring to) is fundamentally wrong here. Perhaps some powerless people turn to terrorism, but there also seems to be another kind of terrorism. Osama bin Laden, an extremely rich man, with the power to order his subordinates to fly planes into the WTC, is not a “powerless” man. It is exactly because the man has power, and revels in it, that he does not wince at the indiscriminate killing of thousands of people. This is not terrorism of the powerless, this is the terrorism of the bully.

The same applied to the Nazis and the terror they unleashed in the 1930s and 40s. It is certainly true that Germany had been badly treated after the First World War. It is also true that the Versailles Treaty (and even more so the criminal Belgo-French occupation of the Ruhr province in 1923, which caused the collapse of the reichsmark and hyperinflation) was the “seedbed of World War II” because it persuaded many “powerless” people to vote for Adolf Hitler. “Paleocons” such as Pat Buchanan and most recently Taki in The American Conservative [Nov. 20], believe that America made a serious mistake when it first embraced Wilsonian interventionism by entering WWI on the Allied side. If Washington had not done so, the Great War would probably have ended in a military stalemate, eventually leading to a negotiated peace without the total humiliation of the Germans. But I am convinced that to Hitler and his pagans the German humiliation was merely a pretext for waging war, because in their Darwinian ideology war was healthy, ensuring the survival of the fittest.

Similarly, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is merely a pretext for a clash of civilizations between the Western world and the Wahhabites, one of the most extremist Islamic groups who suddenly grew immensely rich and powerful because they were living in the Arabian desert atop an oil field. The Wahhabites are aiming for world domination because they think this is what Allah has ordered them to do. Of course they use the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to draw disgruntled Arabs to their side. Of course they want to destroy Israel because they think the Holy Land belongs to them. But they also want to destroy Spain because they think “al-Andalus” belongs to them. And they attacked America, not only because it supports Israel, but also because they know that if they can defeat or terrorize America no-one else will oppose them.


What next?


Mugged by the reality of Wahhabi terrorism America cracked down on Saddam Hussein. This may not have been the wisest thing to do. Perhaps, as Austin Bramwell writes in the same TAC issue, an “inchoate thirst for vengeance” led to “vengeance listen[ing] to the fools’ request.” Saddam was not a Wahhabi but a secularized Sunni Muslim and an enemy of both Iran and the Wahhabite Saudis.

Whatever one may think of the wisdom of invading Iraq, this, however, is the course which history has taken. We are stuck with the situation as it is today, just as the world was stuck with Hitler in 1933. The question is: What next? And also: What if something worse than 9/11 were to occur?

In Thursday’s [London] Times Anatole Kaletsky writes that Washington should attempt a diplomatic overture to Iran because the latter is a Shi’a country. The Wahhabites are radical Sunnis, and the Sunnis are enemies of the Shi’ites, whom they consider to be heretics. Kaletsky argues that Bush should follow Richard Nixon’s bold example of dialogue with Red China. “Just as the US opening to China irreparably split the Communist world, the theocratic Islamic world could be split by an opening to Iran,” he says. I have heard this before. Another argument in favour of the Shi’a strategy, which is not mentioned by Kaletsky, is the following: Shi’a Islam differs from the mainstream (Sunni) Islam in that it has a hierarchical clergy, with ayatollahs (analogous to bishops in the Catholic church) who can speak for the entire community and who decide the doctrine and its interpretation. Christianity in Western Europe became a force of civilization exactly because it had a leading episcopal establishment, part of a linear tradition, that offered guidance and explanation about religious commandments which, without such guidance, some extremists might have started to take literally (such as “if thy hand offends thee, cut it off”). Some of the Americans working in Baghdad have a high opinion of some of the Iraqi ayatollahs and think they may be the best hope for a peaceful settlement.

Perhaps if, immediately after toppling Saddam in 2003, Washington had supported the Shi’a by giving Iraq to the Shi’a majority, or (as I argued in December 2003 in The Salisbury Review) the artificial Iraqi state had been divided, that policy might have made a chance. It may, however, be too late for the Shi’a option. Kaletsky’s proposal may also be an entirely unrealistic, even dangerous one. The Iranian leadership does not belong to the more moderate strand of Shi’ite Islam. Moreover, one of the major problems that ensued from the toppling of Saddam was that it tipped the regional power balance between archenemies Iraq and Iran in favour of Shi’a Iran. If Washington starts negotiations with Teheran it will elevate the latter even more to the position of regional superpower in the Gulf. This would upset the Wahhabite Saudis. On the other hand a pre-emptive war against Iran would tilt the regional power balance in favour of the Saudis. These are all considerations that must be carefully taken into account. What an irony it would be if a major Wahhabite terror attack tomorrow were to lead to an invasion of Shi’a Iran, like the Wahhabite attack of 9/11 led to the war in Iraq.

And what about Europe?


Meanwhile, the American mid-term elections are being widely discussed in Europe. The European media regard the results as proof that “Old Europe” was right all along, while America was wrong. In the center-right Parisian paper Le Figaro, Nicole Bacharan, a French political scientist and historian, wrote that the elections showed that “America is neither ‘red’ nor ‘blue.’ The majority votes centrist.” She also notes that, following the elections, the French have softened their view on the US because “The values and sensibilities of the Democrats seem to be closer [to those of the French]. And one can detect, in the new political constellation, a return to a less interventionist America.”

The so-called “paleocons” have, however, been arguing longer and more consistently than the “blue” Democrats that less interventionism would be better for America. If Iraq was what decided last week’s American mid-term elections then those elections are not a vindication of the Democrats, as the European media seem to think, but of the “paleocons.” It is wrong to assume, like European journalists, that America has turned “blue” and become more like Europe. The Democrats did so well last week because many of them appealed to “red” voters. One notable example is Robert Casey, Jr., the new Senator for Pennsylvania, who defeated the incumbent Rick Santorum by 59% against 41%. Casey, though a Democrat, hence officially “blue,” is an outspoken opponent of abortion and in favour of the rights of gun-owners – not at all “blue” “values and sensitivities” which the French or other Europeans feel they share. Similar situations arose elsewhere, for instance in Virginia, where pro-gun and anti-immigration Democrat Jim Webb won the senatorial race against the Republican incumbent.

Le Figaro is one of the more sensible French papers, and Nicole Bacharan realizes well enough that it is doubtful whether more American isolationism will be better for France, a country which is currently unable to assert authority over its own territory and which was incapable of winning its last two wars without American “interventionism.” Bacharan warns that those who “blame America for its imperialism may soon regret its indifference” and urges Europe “to invent a new Atlanticism.”

However, it may be too late for that. The “paleocons” do not want to fight for any country but America, the “neocons” have come to resent Europe for failing to stand with them in Iraq, and the “blue” Liberals (the only Americans most leading Europeans feel affinity with) lack the guts to fight for anything at all, including their own hedonistic values. We can deplore this as much as we want, but, again, this is the situation we are stuck with. I doubt whether the mid-term elections showed that neoconservatism is dead. I think they announced the death of the Atlantic Alliance. It was for Europe that the bell tolled – which makes it ironic that so many Europeans rejoiced in the results. Bacharan is sounding the alarm because she realizes America is leaving Europe. Edward Lucas, the central and eastern Europe correspondent of The Economist, does the same in Friday’s Daily Telegraph. He says that the old dictum which described the purpose of the Atlantic Alliance – “to keep the Americans in, the Germans down, and the Russians out” – is now wrong on all three fronts, because “The Russians are coming, the Germans rising, and the Americans leaving. Each country seeks the best deal it can, to the detriment of its neighbours. Collective security is as badly needed as it was during the Cold War. But Nato can no longer provide it.”

Lucas’ article focuses on the old East-West relations, between Russia on the one hand, America and Western Europe on the other. There is, however, more at stake today. Who cares about “coming” Russians and “rising” Germans? Both peoples have committed demographic suicide. It are the Muslims who are coming and rising. History is still to decide whether the Wahhabite, the moderate Sunni or the Shi’a will rule, but one thing is already certain. While America’s future will still most likely be “red,” Europe’s will be “green” – the colour of Islam.


Source... http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1667
By SpiderMonkey
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1) The hijackers were not Palestinians - they were 15 Saudis, 2 from the UAE, a Lebanese and an Egyptian.

2) Wahhabism in Palestine? What the fuck?

Its hard to take this guys theories about fucking with the Shia/Sunni divide on purpose when he doesn't know some basic facts about the region.

And taking sides in a holy war will work out as well as it has done for us in Palestine.

Oh, and:

3) France unable to control its own territory? A few riots aren't a civil war. Also, Germany was a powerful industrial nation. Had they been located where Canada is the US would've falled in weeks as well.

4) The accusation that the Democrats are the ones who are spineless doesn't seem to fit with the neocon deserter thats currently in the whitehouse.

5) The idea that Islam is a serious threat to Europe and thus we need the US is ridiculous on both fronts, and as usual with you its provided without evidence.

Basically, this entire article is bullshit.
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By Citizen J
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However, before September 11th 2001, no-one – not even those in the West who hold the premise that the Palestinians (or the Muslims in general) have reason to be angry with the West – was expecting a terror act of the magnitude of 9/11. What happened on that dreadful day was of an unimaginable scale. We have come to realize that some people will stop at nothing.
As mentioned beforehand, the perpetrators was mostly not Palestinian.

In 2004, USA Today reported that NORAD ran drills in the two years preceding the attack in which simulated hijacked jetliners were crashed into targets including the World Trade Center. 2 Other reports date back long before the attack. The April 3, 1995 edition of Time Magazine ran a cover story in which Senator Sam Nunn described a scenario in which terrorists crashed a radio-controlled airplane into the U.S. Capitol building. 3

The World Trade Center was well-recognized as a target of a terrorist attack ever since the 1993 garage bombing attack. In 1994, an expert from a panel commissioned by the Pentagon wrote in the Futurist magazine:

Targets such as the World Trade Center not only provide the requisite casualties but, because of their symbolic nature, provide more bang for the buck. In order to maximize their odds for success, terrorists will likely consider multiple, simultaneous operations.

On the morning of 9/11/01 the National Reconnaissance Office was running an exercise simulating the crash of a corporate jet into a tower on their campus.

Awareness of the likelihood of the targeting of the Twin Towers was not confined to officialdom. Several events in the popular culture seemed to anticipate the attack.

On March 4, 2001, FOX TV aired an episode of The Lone Gunmen show named PILOT, in which a secret US government agency attempts to crash a Boeing 727 into one of the Twin Towers via remote control, and blame the attack on foreign powers. The episode aired in Australia on August 30, 2001.

At the episode's climax, the jetliner's pilots realize that the plane has been commandeered as they approach the Twin Towers from the north, and manage to avert the crash at the last second by overriding a lock that is preventing them from regaining control of the aircraft from the autopilot.

In 1999, Fema a pamphlet on terrorism that depicted one of the world trade center towers in cross hairs. http://www.prisonplanet.com/wtc_targeted_on_1999_fema_terror_book.htm.

There was plenty of people all over the world who had predicted this event. That 9/11 was just so massive that nobody could have imagined it's occurrence is a false claim because many people did imagine it.

The theory that we were 'mugged' by this event because of it's unimaginable scope also fails because, as I pointed out, the scope was already imagined. I can only conclude that those who were shocked by the unimaginable scope of 9/11 had not been paying attention. It's unfortunate, but that includes most Americans.

Therefore, the rise of these 'paleoconservatives' is because they were not paying attention beforehand; not exactly an auspicious trait to have when forging an ideological movement.
By Theimmortal1
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Citizen J proves the whole saying that we have to be right all the time and they just have to be right once. Plus hes the type that bashes us if we are too aggressive in going after extremists but then bashes us when our passiveness allows for an attack.



BTW, who cares what nationality they were? They were Islamic extremists. We aren't fighting a nation. We are fighting a large group of people.
By Falx
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BTW, who cares what nationality they were? They were Islamic extremists. We aren't fighting a nation. We are fighting a large group of people.


Talk about complete lack of understanding of the middle east.
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By Ombrageux
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I don't think he makes a single good point in the entire article. He talks about "neo-conservatives", "democrats" and "paleo-conservatives" as if these people are stable groups. The ideology is often irrelevant, the same people who were balking against "nation-building" in Somalia and Haiti under Clinton are the same people willing to spend 1.4 trillion dollars of "nation-building" on Iraq today.

Neo-conservatism has nothing to do with reality. It is made up, it is in the minds of Americans, it is an incredibly useful electoral and rhetorical ploy however which American leaders have gotten used to. It is so easy, a vague, amorphous enemy, capable of damage from the specific but negligible suicide bombing to "taking over the world" (their dastardly plans only to be foiled by a naive nation who ideally would rather keep to itself).

No. If the threat of a nuke in an American city is real, I fail to see how the GWOT has any impact on reducing that threat. In fact, it has probably made things worse. We've pissed off more Muslims, we've 100s of billions of $ in irrelevant wars and our military is so overstretched we can't even secure our borders. Doing something about a problem doesn't mean that something is helping to solve it.

"Neo-conservatism", that half-baked pseudo-ideology, will die have to die, or America will.
By Theimmortal1
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Talk about complete lack of understanding of the middle east.


And you obviously have no clue on what this war is about. America is at war with Islamic extremists. It doesn't matter if their nationality is Iraqi, Iranian, American, French, Australian, Pakistani, Saudi, or German.
By Falx
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And you obviously have no clue on what this war is about. America is at war with Islamic extremists.


If that was the case why go after the secular regime in Iraq rather than the quasi-theocratic one in Saudi Arabia?
By Theimmortal1
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I don't think you are reading what I am typing. We are fighting Islamic extremists. Not nations. Islamic extremists exist all throughout the world. We are at war with all of them all throughout the world.
By Theimmortal1
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Not really. Saudi Arabia is helping us defeating Islamic extremists. But that is also the wrong way to look at it. Stop thinking in terms of states. We aren't warring against states. We are warring against a group.
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By Ombrageux
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Not really. Saudi Arabia is helping us defeating Islamic extremists. But that is also the wrong way to look at it. Stop thinking in terms of states. We aren't warring against states. We are warring against a group.

Saudi Arabia funds Wahabi schools. Saudi oil sheiks, many of very tight with the state, fund Islamic terrorist organizations.

What's the saying...

GWB wrote:We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.


These people are not an existential threat, but, like international crime, threaten the lives of our citizens. Our current policies in the Mideast have been totally ineffective in tackling the problem, on the contrary, Bush has a vested interest in maintaining the problem as its only purpose is to justify his policies.
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By green party
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I am going to have to agree with Theimmortal1 on this one. The current war is against an ideology (that ideology being militant Islam), not a nation. This is why this war is impossible to win.
By Theimmortal1
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Green Party, every group has an ideology. Therefore your conclusion is false.


And DumbTeen, you may be right, but America doesn't have the resources to engage in battles all across the world at one time. We have to pick and choose the battles the help us win the war. There is no doubt America realizes that we have many enemies in Saudi Arabia.
By Falx
#1047863
Not really. Saudi Arabia is helping us defeating Islamic extremists.


Ever read anything about Wahhabism?

But that is also the wrong way to look at it. Stop thinking in terms of states. We aren't warring against states. We are warring against a group.


So what you mean is that this isn't a war, it's a seriese of terrorist actions against people the west doesn't like.
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By Ombrageux
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And DumbTeen, you may be right, but America doesn't have the resources to engage in battles all across the world at one time. We have to pick and choose the battles the help us win the war. There is no doubt America realizes that we have many enemies in Saudi Arabia.

The sooner you embrace reality, the sooner you realize this isn't World War 2, or 3 or 4, the sooner you understand the Fascists/Commies/Islamists are totally incapable of taking over the world, then the sooner you will be freed from fear and no longer be driven to bloodlust by it.
By Theimmortal1
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So you are saying America should just allow Islamic extremists to attack Americans at will?

Americans are not afraid. We are frankly very confident. But we are not going to allow this large group of people free reign on our citizens.
By Daari
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DumbTeen
The sooner you embrace reality, the sooner you realize this isn't World War 2, or 3 or 4, the sooner you understand the Fascists/Commies/Islamists are totally incapable of taking over the world, then the sooner you will be freed from fear and no longer be driven to bloodlust by it.


Hmm, I have some questions...

Why were the fascists and the commies incapable of taking over the world?

Was it bec. of their own incapability or was it bec. something stop them from achieving their objective?
By Falx
#1048663
Was it bec. of their own incapability or was it bec. something stop them from achieving their objective?


It's because the world is a big place, the logistics of a functioning world government are beyond any state. Not to mention that most of the production capacity was outside the countries that spawned those ideologies. That it was used as propaganda to get things done by other governments does not mean it's true.
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By soron
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So you are saying America should just allow Islamic extremists to attack Americans at will?

Americans are not afraid. We are frankly very confident. But we are not going to allow this large group of people free reign on our citizens.


You had this one coming for a long time. As I said before, the only substatial change 9/11 brought was that for the first time, Americans weren't attacked in Europe or Middle East but in America.
This wasn't a result of some bored Arabs or Middle East versions of Lex Luthor.
You've been attacked. By people in who's opinion you deserved to be attacked.
Wether or not they're right is totally irrelevant, the important thing is to identify what makes them tick and how to defuse it.

Did America do this ? No. Instead the Bushists used "War on Terror" an a suits-all excuse to exercise some good old gun-boat diplomacy, some related to 9/11, some not.

I think the key word in your statement was "group". Al Qu'aida has been discribed as an idea, rather than a group, which is accurate enough. This means you can't crack down on a "group" because there is no way to confine all of them. And the harder you hit, the more will flock to the cause of those who've been "violently attacked".
Which leads me to the next point: Progress works for all parties. While terrorists can't field stealth bombers, they still can make use of modern technology and infrastructure.

So you will have to be aware that an attack of similar proportions is always possible. You can not prevent that by bombing people in foreign lands.

acharan warns that those who “blame America for its imperialism may soon regret its indifference” and urges Europe “to invent a new Atlanticism.”


It's an opportunity for Europe as well - so far it's been too convenient to ask for American help first before trying to do something on our own. Understandable, yes - the US is still the big kid on the block.
But how can the EU expect to grow together and become something resembling a unified continent if we let our actions be dictated from across the ocean. IIRC that's what triggered the American revolution, and perhaps for the good of the old new Europe it will trigger something here as well.

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