I'm American. My father's family was here before the revolution. My mother's parents emigrated from the UK and Ireland (part of the UK at the time) respectively. So I'm basically a culturally British yank.
According to my DNA, I'm 99.9% European and 0.1% East Asian or Native American. A deeper breakdown shows 89.9% Northern European, 1.7% Southern European and 8.3% non-specific European. I'm 0% for Eastern European and Ashkenazi. The East Asian/Native American bit is so tiny, I have to assume that it is Hun-based, rather than Native American. As for percentage of Neanderthal to Human, I'm 2.8% Neanderthal.
Paternally, I'm I1* haplogroup, which is usually considered Swedish. I'm guessing my family has been in the British Isles for 1000 years or so. The I1 haplogroup could be a tell tale for Norman, Saxon, or even the Danegeld invasions of the UK. Maternally, I'm J1c. My mother's family is Irish. The J1c subclade is much larger than J1b and J1d combined, which some believe to be an efficiency tradeoff between ATP production and radiating heat in Northern climes. J Haplogroup hails out of the Middle East. The Gaels, Galicians, Gauls, Cisalpine Gauls, and Galatians of Turkey are generally believed to have some genetic continuity.
TruePolitics wrote:The Japanese think of themselves as a pure race. They believe that Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess, established the Japanese race many centuries ago. They also think they are superior to the rest of the world.
Well... they kind of are relatively pure. I'm not so sure about Amaterasu. They are pretty much a superior race. It's kind of hard to argue otherwise.
Smertios wrote:This is something that really bothers me about Americans. They are always saying stuff like that, as if they had any cultural connections to those ancestries at all.
Well, it has played a significant role in shaping American culture. It shouldn't bother you too much. We may train our nuclear arsenal at our enemies, but for the most part we haven't wanted to anihilate Western Europe.
Smertios wrote:I mean, seriously, have you ever set up a maypole and dance around it for midsummer, like Swedes do? Have you ever dressed properly for an Oktoberfest, like Germans? Or paint real chicken eggs for Christmas, like Poles do?
You'd be surprised... Oktoberfest is quite popular in America. Maypoles? Not so much. As much as I'd like to put on a Norman helmet, mount my steed and cut down a Welsh upstart with my sword, that's not politically feasible these days... So I just say boorish things on chat forums to get my ya yas out...
Smertios wrote:Do you not like American musical styles, such as jazz, country, rock, etc?
I would concur that there is some sort of American culture, but it is tending to break down now. American Rock music deeply influenced British culture, which turned around and gave us their own versions of our culture. Why do you think Mick Jagger, Robert Plant, and Elton John sound like they're African American Southerners? However, the poisonousness of multiculturalism and political correctness is more or less creating a Balkanized America.
Smertios wrote:So there is a nation-wide shared American identity.
Yes, but it isn't what it used to be. That's why FoxNews exists. It's America's legacy identity. You can yammer on about Democrats and Republicans, but FoxNews is about the white middle class America of the mid-20th Century. That America is alive in the heartland, but dead in the North East and in California.
Far-Right-Sage wrote:None ever envisioned an open border with Mexico or a steady stream of people pouring in from East Asia, India, and Latin America.
So true. However, leftists believe that race is non-deterministic. They believe we are all the same and will live as one big happy family. Obviously, that's not the case, but they can't grapple with their religion being nothing more than a grand delusion.
Smertios wrote:But a society composed by Irish, English, Germans, Italians etc is also multicultural, just not multiracial. Unlike most of Europe, the US never really had one single majority church, for example. Are you sure you are against multicultiralism, not just multiracialism?
That's actually a very interesting question, since the classic notion of "Europe" is much like the notion of "American." It presupposes differences and unity. Multiculturalism is essentially an imperialist ideal for those hoping to achieve a single world government, single currency, etc. America was really founded as anti-monarchy, anti-noble, and anti-state religion. Otherwise, it was culturally British or European.
Smertios wrote:And, well, this is kind of unrelated to the subject, but I'm curious, what do you think about Hawaii? That state never really had a white majority. After the US conquered the kingdom, Japanese and Filipino immigrants came and now it is the multicultural mess it is today...
Yes, and it has more of a colonial feel than that of the 48 states.
Far-Right-Sage wrote:and has a novelty as a unique destination, providing a tropical place for mainland Americans to escape to without getting a passport. So as it stands, it's not a major grievance for me.
How true... You don't have to worry about "don't drink the water..." in Hawaii.
Smertios wrote:It won't be really multiculturalism after a few generations, when the original immigrant population will be completely assimilated.
I think what's probably not obvious to you is that assimilation is breaking down, particularly among Hispanics in California.
Smertios wrote:My main problem with immigration is when it comes in massive scales. The outsiders form large population blocks that won't be assimilated and eventually form a different culture.
That's what happened to America. Hispanics don't assimilate. A generation past the end of Southern Democrat-imposed racial segregation, and blacks are less assimilated now then they were in the 1960s and 1970s. You get people voting for Obama in spite of the fact that he's a terrible president just to prove to themselves that they aren't racist, or because he's a minority. You get Republicans nominating only nominal (liberal) Republicans and being surprised that they lost, assuming that the presupposed racist whites would all show up and vote for Romney. To see the shock on the faces of Romney, Karl Rove, and Dick Morris is to understand that urbanites really don't understand middle America anymore. Calling white middle Americans racist--which is what the Republicans do as well as the Democrats--is to say that they've ultimately abandoned the once great America in favor of multi-cultural liberalism too. I got a call from the Republican party thanking me for my help with the last election and asking me to renew my membership in spite of the fact that I left the Republican party in 2006 and haven't given them a dime since. The fact they are doing fund raising now suggests that Obama's fiscal cliff triumph is now draining the Republican party of cash. Romney lost precisely because Republicans aren't racist.
Smertios wrote:The US will not lose their Anglo-Celtic identity just because there are some Italian and Polish genes within the population.
I wouldn't be too sure. The liberal media has lost a lot of influence over the years, but they more or less created Barack Obama. Never have we had someone less qualified for office, or having been re-elected after having done such a terrible job. However, cable has liquidated the near monopoly of the mainstream media and streaming video will ultimately Balkanize things still further.
Smertios wrote:Yes, but what would your reaction be in case Hawaii decided to become independent based on the fact that they were never really "American", from a cultural point of view?
Hawaii is "safe exotic." It's a tropical Pacific vacation paradise for Americans. We have nuclear powered carriers now. We don't need Pearl Harbor anymore than we need Guantanamo Bay. So Hawaii going independent would just mean we don't have to subsidize them anymore. I'm guessing the biggest headache would be how to design a 49 star flag. Since Obama was either born there or not born there, I'm guessing Hawaii will remain in the Union.
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