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By Locke II
#14056520
What do you think you're playing at? Are you begging for war? Then why do you have plans to build a garrison on a disputed islands? It has long been known that the US is itching to go to war with you. Any resistance to your construction may well be what provokes the sleeping giant, and maybe they bring NATO with it. You do not need extra defense on that island. the only reason you might build it there is to start a war. News for you: the US grows almost all your wheat. You will not be able to use nuclear weapons for fear of retribution. Withdraw now, and don't say i didn't warn you.
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By fuser
#14056908
LockeII wrote:the US grows almost all your wheat.


They will eat rice.
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By Locke II
#14057200
Sure, they will eat rice, but will there be enough what with soldiers fighting the war and civilians in the factories? they will have to choose between leading a devastating military campaign and a weak, but well fed army. china is in no state for war.
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By Oppenheimer III
#14057295
The U.S. is not itching to go to war with China. Multiple attempts to increase relations (and mostly end communism) have been held to reduce tensions. China definitely shouldn't be garrisoning troops on disputed islands, but the results will be china taking the islands, the U.N. intervening diplomatically, and economic sanctions if China refuses to give up its new territories.
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By Locke II
#14057417
let me rephrase that: there are people in the govrnment that still live in the age of commies vs. cappies that want to go to war with china
By Baff
#14058745
Locke II wrote:let me rephrase that: there are people in the govrnment that still live in the age of commies vs. cappies that want to go to war with china

Not just in government.

Antipathy towards China in the US is a mainstream political persuasion amongst the populace.
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By terrapinsfan
#14060454
The Chinese need the energy they could get from the acquisition of these islands and the surrounding waters. In that sense it is alarming since Japan was in the same situation in the late 1930s and early 1940s.
By Zenno
#14060464
Locke II wrote:... they bring NATO with it ...


Will you leave NATO out off it please! It is already stretching things to pretend that the North Atlantic reaches all the way to Afghanistan. It certainly doesn't reach to the China Sea! And Europeans are none too keen to be dragged into another US military adventure.

the US grows almost all your wheat.


Be advised that China already owes you. Without Chinese money your country would be broke.
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By Locke II
#14061001
[/quote]In that sense it is alarming since Japan was in the same situation in the late 1930s and early 1940s.[/quote]

Definitely frightening, and leaves us to wonder if we learn anything from history.
However, some claim it is similar to the Nazi troops marching into the Rhineland, although I find it extreme
By Baff
#14061280
While that is a more extreme example, ultimately what we are discussing is the same thing. The ebb and flow of empires.

Borders change.
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By quetzalcoatl
#14061383
This is much ado over nothing. The US has no strategic interest in said islands, nor is it a party to the dispute. The US is not threatening China over this "issue," in fact the response has been very low key.

The US will take no action other than urge both parties to solve their differences by negotiation.

The US cannot starve China, nor can the Chinese bankrupt the US. Even hand wringing by a few neocon US congressmen won't change these political realities.
By skeptic-1
#14178355
quetzalcoatl wrote:This is much ado over nothing. The US has no strategic interest in said islands, nor is it a party to the dispute. The US is not threatening China over this "issue," in fact the response has been very low key.

The US will take no action other than urge both parties to solve their differences by negotiation.

The US cannot starve China, nor can the Chinese bankrupt the US. Even hand wringing by a few neocon US congressmen won't change these political realities.



Right on !
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By Rainbow Crow
#14178369
Let them eat rice cakes.

This is just a ploy by the Chinese to stoke nationalism as a distraction from the country's serious corruption and succession issues. The ruler's kids are running people over in sports cars while their parents send assassins into each other's homes, so they get intelligence to start burning Toyota dealerships and play a lot of propoganda about some nearly worthless islands as a distraction.
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By Ahovking
#14184080
I think What you will find is that china knows another 10-20-30 years it will become the worlds biggest economy and when it hits that point if war ever happen, china knows even tho at the time it could be 10-5 year behind the united states technology, china can make up this gap with its size of its population. Due to it being the worlds larges economy it will in war time be the worlds largest war machine, able to replay ships, planes and equipment faster then the united states and having a larger population able to take more hits.

because of this i think you would find china is beginning to test the waters, seeing how far it can go, its a whole game, getting the population all riled up plus there will be a whole new generation of Chinese that will be growing up seeing "in there eyes" the world against china and when the time came they will be more than ready to fight .
By skeptic-1
#14205843
Locke II wrote:What do you think you're playing at? Are you begging for war? Then why do you have plans to build a garrison on a disputed islands? It has long been known that the US is itching to go to war with you. Any resistance to your construction may well be what provokes the sleeping giant, and maybe they bring NATO with it. You do not need extra defense on that island. the only reason you might build it there is to start a war. News for you: the US grows almost all your wheat. You will not be able to use nuclear weapons for fear of retribution. Withdraw now, and don't say i didn't warn you.



http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_g ... production

you are somewhat off, China leads all in wheat production and is virtually a self sufficient food producing country. We are NOT! !
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By feihua
#14205892
skeptic-1 wrote:http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_g ... production

you are somewhat off, China leads all in wheat production and is virtually a self sufficient food producing country. We are NOT! !


What "we" are not is putting paper in our pork dumplings and selling diseased pork to our citizens.

90% of the underground water in China is polluted and 40% of that feeds the agricultural system in China.

Also, one should keep in mind that China does not have the refrigeration readily available such as that existing elsewhere.

Yes, it is quite commendable it can feed itself well and has been doing so for quite some time, it is as commendable as it is disconcerting that so much of the food is thrown out because there is no refrigeration that can handle it for temperature much less space.

Shanghai, China - Consumers in China are no strangers to food scares and scandals, but the mystery of thousands of swine and poultry carcasses flooding into rivers across the country has many Chinese wondering what's going on.

In recent years, Chinese have had to worry about melamine-tainted milk powder, exploding watermelons, pesticide-laden vegetables, and antibiotic-pumped chickens. So when thousands of dead pigs started turning up in the Huangpu River in Shanghai, the city's residents were alarmed but not shocked.

Nu, a shop keeper in the former French Concession area of the city who gave only one name, said he is worried about the latest incident, particularly the water quality, but added he is always concerned about such matters.

"The river is not clean. The underground water is polluted, and not just because of this," Nu said.

The first pigs were discovered in early March upstream of the river, which supplies about 20 percent of the city's 23 million residents with tap water. But it was not until the numbers of pig carcasses reached almost 1,000 that it made national news.
By skeptic-1
#14206751
Locke II wrote:Sure, they will eat rice, but will there be enough what with soldiers fighting the war and civilians in the factories? they will have to choose between leading a devastating military campaign and a weak, but well fed army. china is in no state for war.


Note: I copied and posted Eddelsons
sales pitch for his way to avoid the financial disaster of China's activity because for once the sales message fit like the pieces I gathered into a of a finished puzzle.

IMO WWIII will not involve invasion. The loser will simply capitulate because of the inability to withstand the devastation of a continued nuclear onslaught.

Capitulation of sorts may even take place before the first missile is fired "Through negotiation".
By Baff
#14217887
Locke II wrote:What do you think you're playing at? Are you begging for war? Then why do you have plans to build a garrison on a disputed islands? It has long been known that the US is itching to go to war with you.


They don't seem scared.

Skeptic has the right of it in my opinion.
The USA can't win a war with China anymore than China can win a war with the USA.
Proxy wars however, that's a different matter. The ebb and flow of empires.
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