Ultra-Nationalist??? Wow! I've never been called that before...I'm not sure if I should be offended or not...I don't think so...i think you're trying to be diplomatic so I'll give you a break even though at the end you pretty much sided with them thereby ruining your pragmatic approach. Oh well.
I never once said the US wasn't guilty of anything. Vietnam certainly was a tragic mistake, however going from me thinking the US is untouchable to falling for everything politically motivated foreigners throw at me is quite another. Why I would lay odds I could find so-called "crimes against humanity" for every country on earth. Yes even Luxembourg and Lichenstein. I'm sure if I search google long enough I can do it. So to accept blanket, unproven, accusations is just not going to happen.
Further if these two cats appeared to have begun studying these events with an open mind and after extensive searching came to the conclusion that, indeed there are war crimes afoot, then I might at least listen and attempt to hear them out. What I suspect is the began with an Anti-American agenda (for whatever reason) and simply looked for any old thing they could find that would help prove their points of view. This is why I refuse to listen to their speil.
However, I hardly think Demosthenes will get it. As for the majority of Americans the most salient truths remain taboos to him. Professor Richard Falk, of Cornell University, put it succinctly some years ago. Western foreign policy, he wrote, is propagated in the media “through a self righteous, one-way moral/legal screen with positive images of western values and innocence portrayed as threatened, validating a campaign of unrestricted violenceâ€.
More self-rightousness wrapped up in a "Demo will never get it" blanket and sold as a premium, but tired, thought pattern. The point of this quote is to imply that America acts completely selfishly and only serves itself. Using whatever means we deem necessary to acheive our goals. I understand this point very well, I just reject it.
Perhaps the most important taboo is the longevity of the United States as both a terrorist state and a haven for terrorists. In 1986, the United States was found guilty by the World Court of “unlawful use of violence†(international terrorism) for its actions in Nicaragua. The United States then promptly vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on all states to adhere to international law. That the US is the only state on record to have been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism and has vetoed a UN Security Council resolution calling on governments to observe international law is of no importance to Demosthenes.
uh huh... and who sits on this world court? As far as the US being the only nation condemed by it I think that goes to show how totally biased this kangeroo court really is, and further proves how shrewd a move it was by the US to refuse to be bound by it. We could hold courts of our own for several known terrorists harboring regimes, find them guilty and then proclaim to the world that they are skirting the law...What the hell would that prove? Nothing! That's what. You would see these verdicts as meaningless just as we see this obviously false verdict against us. "The World Court" is a joke.
And Demosthenes for the last time - the atrocities of the "Highway of Hell" were in clear violation of the Geneva Convention of 1949, common article 3. Please read the article and we can take it from there. I don't want to discuss your misguided conceptions of legitimate targets
And RudeBwoy, for the last time yourself, this army was in retreat (which you admitted earlier) not surrender. In war that's a huge distinction. That document you quote in no way claims an army on retreat is subject to it's protections. And think about that for a minute. There's a reason for this. Otherwise all an army would have to do when facing another is run the first time someone was shot, then claim the other army violeted the geneva conventions if theykept firing. The first army could then reform at a stategic time and come right back at the second army. That is idiotic.
and now for Comrade Osnowski:Demosthenes, i will make this quick so as not to waste my time,
Please do, I tire of simple anti-american bullshit that borders on the level of simple rascism.
it is quite obvious to me that one so blinded by patriotic stupidity will not listen to anything that does not support your own laughable arguement that the USA can/has/and will do nothing wrong.
Wrong again, as usual. You Anti-Americans are all alike. You bellow and blow, and spout and fume, but in the end you make no more sense than what you claim I do. I will listen to any reasonable non-previously biased individual who genuienly approaches the subject objectively- Proctor, Adrien, even Cas-X to a degree, to name but a few on this site alone. Of course that doesn't mean I'll agree but I will listen.
Further ONCE AGAIN, my argument is not the USA is totally blameless in everything we've ever done in the hostory of the country, it just sounds that way because you're trying to poin everything possible on us. A patent use of Anti-American propaganda.
it is quite obvious to me that one so blinded by patriotic stupidity will not listen to anything that does not support your own laughable arguement that the USA can/has/and will do nothing wrong.
Finally we're getting somewhere. I never claimed it wasn't shame this happened. Often times in war many thing happen that no one likes but people who which to manipulate tend to take events like this one a turn them into something thy are not.
But that does not clear the issue, after all the USA has been responcible for more acts of Terrorism over the past 20yrs than any other nation... why not call up those who have committed war crimes under the guise of "freedom and democracy" to the International Criminal Court.
If you could find a court run by Maori, Those new tribesman they just found in the interior of the Amazon, and some natives of Antartica to officiate this court then I would agree, with the idea that we get to indict anyone we want also...lets line em all up in TRULY unbiased court and see what shakes out.
Why not punish Gen. Colin Powell, Secretary of State, for his leading role in the attacks on Panama, Iraq, and covering up My Lai.
Ah and we had made such progress, but you had to digress to this...what a shame...I thought you we're going to be breif...
Why not punish William Clinton, former President, for 78 days and nights of bombing the civilians of Yugoslavia; continuation of sanctions and rocket attacks upon the people of Iraq; and illegal bombings of Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, and Afghanistan.
Well... if we gave you Clinton would you leave us the hell alone? I could live with that...
The list is endless, and that is only some of the acts of international injustice that the US was/is directly involved in, there are hundreds of
cases where the US is indirectly involved in, such as the training of the Contras and Al Quada.
So you give two out of context examples and claim this is why we're evil...boy you people sure have your priorities screwed up...Unbelievable...I'll just leave your other rantings alone, they are more baseless accusations that just seem spiteful and not well thought out.
"When do you ask yourself,
'Maybe everyone else isn't wrong for using the definitions of words; maybe I'm wrong for making up new definitions of words and then using them as crude slurs' -TiG
Dont attempt to even think to what is on my mind or what i know i am above the law(hehehe sneaky little "kingpin" qoute). I could go on and talk about France colluding with regimes or Russia or China or Germany...but why bother.
Please refrain from making false accusations of racism, i simply dislike the current american government...this does not mean i dislike the american people. Just as many disliked the Baath regime in Iraq...they do not dislike the iraqi people.
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