[U184]

As for mercenaries,wouldn't they be paid by other nations then?This is the meaning of mercenaries.

OK, but I am not talking about mercenaries, YOU are.

I am talking about being the Militant force for the United Nations and the full Peacekeeping force of the world and following the dictates of International Law.

All dictatorships go against human rights.

As long as the country allowed these freedoms, as outlined in the UN Charter for Human Rights, then they can follow any form of Government or Religion that they so wish.

they would have the right to oppose orders

We also have a vote in the UN and if the outcome is against our vote, we would still do our duty.

[park]

OK, but I am not talking about mercenaries, YOU are.

I am talking about being the Militant force for the United Nations and the full Peacekeeping force of the world and following the dictates of International Law.

As long as the country allowed these freedoms, as outlined in the UN Charter for Human Rights, then they can follow any form of Government or Religion that they so wish.

We also have a vote in the UN and if the outcome is against our vote, we would still do our duty.

Dictatorships don't give political freedom for obvious reasons,then Saudis could be attacked.Then US marines would bring a regime change to Saudis?

[KlassWar]

:lol:

You seem to be taking that stance from the very small amount of forces we have sent in the past. I am not talking small forces I am talking fully committed engagements. The USA can handle 4 to 5 fully committed engagements simultaneously, with any country on earth, without exception.

We just have not committed our forces in full since WWII.

The economy would most definitely collapse if the US committed to total war WWII-style. Back in the day most women were homemakers and the massive labor shortage due to total war could be fixed by the mass incorporation of women to industrial labor. Thing is, female labor STAYED IN THE WORKFORCE after those wars, and there's hardly the massive unemployment that could compensate for a total war deployment.

Expenses would be through the roof, and I doubt the imperialistic payoffs would be anywhere near as good (acquiring Western Europe, South Korea and Japan as client states was a geopolitics hail mary, ain't no way to reliably replicate those payoffs). The proposal is economic insanity pure and simple.

[jessupjonesjnr87]

Yes America is stronger than any other nation or empire has ever been but still they can't even deliver the finishing blow to rag tag militias like the Taliban or VC. The good news is their strangle hold of fear over the peoples of this planet is weakening by the year. They had their chance to use the influence they had to spread the message of peace and acceptance but instead they used it to fuel the fires of fear and hate, they're idiots and it will end up costing them in the long run. Half the world would love to see them gone and in the next century or so they will probably get the chance to make it happen. That is or course if the Americans don't wipe themselves out first.

[U184]

Ahhh, how cute... jessupjonesjnr87 got his trolling in today.

The economy would most definitely collapse if the US committed to total war WWII-style.

You must not have noticed then how Americas economy goes up every time there is an engagement. It does so because the US is based on being a Military–industrial complex.

Back in the day most women were homemakers and the massive labor shortage due to total war could be fixed by the mass incorporation of women to industrial labor. Thing is, female labor STAYED IN THE WORKFORCE after those wars, and there's hardly the massive unemployment that could compensate for a total war deployment.

And?

That is a bad argument, as those position are now automated and what was done before by a 1000 workers can be done and is done, by a few machines in a industrial fabrication facility. The reduction in labor cost also provides for higher profits.

Expenses would be through the roof, and I doubt the imperialistic payoffs would be anywhere near as good (acquiring Western Europe, South Korea and Japan as client states was a geopolitics hail mary, ain't no way to reliably replicate those payoffs). The proposal is economic insanity pure and simple.

The Peacekeeping forces are paid and I am sure that the money is good and would be better as a small UN member tax increase would ensure it.

You also seem to be missing the part where most of the large corporations in America are part of the Military–industrial complex and as such they would do nothing but benefit from such an endeavor. Are you familiar with the corporate building that occurred out of WWI and WWII and how many, many US companies became mega corporations because of the war?

No, it is not economic insanity at all, its just good business.

Here are a few business that grew from the ashes of war:

Boeing
General Dynamics
Lockheed Corporation
North American Aviation
United Aircraft
Douglas Aircraft Company
Glenn L. Martin Company
Hughes Aircraft Company
Sperry Corporation
Raytheon
McDonnell Aircraft


Here are a few more that you may not have thought were based on the Military–industrial complex.

AT&T Corporation
General Electric
IBM
RCA

That is a small portion of a list that would have tens of thousands of companies that profit from..... wait for it.... the Military–industrial complex.

[park]

A possible was against Saudis is enough to make this scenery impossible.

[U184]

Would you please rephrase that?

[park]

Would you please rephrase that?

the UN could state a war against the Saudi regime,a US ally.This means the US will not agree on this new world military force.

[U184]

I disagree. The US would do what was needed, whatever that was.

[park]

I disagree. The US would do what was needed, whatever that was.

the US don't attack their interests.It's impossible they would sign this military treaty

[Igor Antunov]

You're saying the biggest violator of human rights, most accomplished war criminal and chief abuser of the worldwide civilian population with the most extensive prison system on earth which incarcerates more of its own population than the rest of the world combined; would somehow, for some reason become a paragon of selfless virtue?

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What an insulting discussion.

[U184]

Feel free to see your way out of it then Igor.

Par, please stop being disruptive by continuing to just repeat yourself. You have said the same thing over 6 times now, enough is enough. Please either expand on your posts, or provide other information.

Otherwise they are a waste of time and add nothing to the thread.

That would make them a one line post and that is against the forum rules.


I have entertained your input up till this point, however, not that this has been pointed out to you, please be respectful and change you actions, or I will report them, thank you.

[onemalehuman]

Only if you think the United Nations are Nazi's.

You must not understand the OP.

Do you understand the concept of a Military–industrial complex?

Just a tad condescending here.

What is natural law? What separates natural law from humanity's laws protecting character's rights by social rank has its privileges?

This country was founded to protect individual liberty, not playing to character's rights as had been done throughout history to the point of the Declaration of Indenpendence from humanity's laws that rule reality.

Now when you form a national society that goes against mankind's orchestrated chaos, you better be able to protect yourself from outside and inside forces wishing to take over liberty for society's right to dictate who's who in reality.

What force does it take to defend from being conquered? An equal or greater force than is trying to conquer. The best offense is a better defense than any other offensive move.

Peace through strength has to exist until peace through knowing what real is unanimously globally. Regardless what is believed, Eternal life is supported by limited lifetimes(specific ancestry) passing through the same moment generation after generation. That is what humanity's academia prevents every body from knowing in order to save ordered chaos through teaching theory and theology as choices to choose from categorically. Body and spirit or instincts ruled and measured incompletely by intellect not caring to know the whole moment.

[Godstud]

I think America should pack up it's warmachine... cut spending to military by at least 50% and worry about fixing their problems INSIDE their country, instead of working for the benefits of their corporate interests abroad.

America is only breeding the next generation of people who hate America, and someday America won't be able to keep up the foreign fight to keep them at bay.

[U184]

GS, what happens when you let the tigers tail go?

What aspect of international policy should be "off limits" and should that only apply to the USA?

Park, please stop trolling my comments.

[Godstud]

GS, what happens when you let the tigers tail go?

To what are you referring, exactly?

Are you implying that American bases in places like Thailand, Greece, South Korea, etc. actually make America safer?

What aspect of international policy should be "off limits" and should that only apply to the USA?

No aspect of international policy should only apply to the US. US, as it stand, does whatever it wants, despite UN opposition, including breaching of international law, when it suits itself.

You seem to think that the world wants and needs the US to be a big policeman. They don't want, nor need it. In fact, the US does it's damnedest to CAUSE chaos and trouble pretty much everywhere it goes, because it they're fighting each other internally, then they'll leave the US alone, usually. Very shortsighted.

[jessupjonesjnr87]

I think America should pack up it's warmachine... cut spending to military by at least 50% and worry about fixing their problems INSIDE their country, instead of working for the benefits of their corporate interests abroad.

America is only breeding the next generation of people who hate America, and someday America won't be able to keep up the foreign fight to keep them at bay.

It's too late for that now, around 20yrs too late. Long range nuclear weapons should have brought an end to large scale international conflicts but unfortunately America is too reliant on warfare to let that happen. Other nations are however beginning to catch up with the States so they couldn't de-militarise now even if they wanted to.

[Godstud]

Catch up with the states???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... penditures
China, in second place, isn't even at the 1/2 mark of US military spending.


http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/ ... y-spending

[jessupjonesjnr87]

It's catching up, I didn't say it has caught up.

[Godstud]

What's your point? You think a military budget can go up indefinitely? $120 billion dollars is still not much compared to the $1.56 TRILLION that the US currently spends.