[Pope Perseus Peptabysmal]

Ever since Damien has gone on his little acid trip about the Soviet Empire coming back and destroying America as pointed out in a book by a "defector" who told his story to the CIA and didn't buy it. (Of course, the CIA bought into any rumor of WMDs in Iraq despite the fact some rumors weren't credible. I'd think they'd pay attention... Whatever, I digress) But this got me thinking. Have the Russians(Soviets) and the Americans had an agreement to both rule the world together and distract the world population by starting wars in insignificant countries? No one would ever suspect that Russia and America were busy drawing up territory lines together drinking Vodka and smoking cigars while beyond closed doors they both seemed ready to annihilate eachother with so much as a misplaced tank moving in the wrong direction.

Or was this conjectural deal struck up after the fall of the Berlin Wall? The Cold War is over, so that means that the USA's and USSR's allies don't need to listen to their superpower nations anymore. So if tensions were raised again (Iraq, for example) people wouldn't suspect something was up. Except of course some of the allies have switched sides, with the Warsaw Pact nations siding with America and Marshall Plan benefactors with Russia. Maybe America and Russia are gearing up to use their allies as proxies in a meaningless conflict so it's much easier for them both to take power. There is of course no factual basis for this theory, but I wonder what Bush and Putin chat about down in Crawford, Texas at Bush's ranch....

[Comrade Ogilvy]

History teaches us that there is always a power struggle. Power sharing comes when neither side can push through an advantage. Why would the US share its power when the US has the advantage. You press an advantage. The US is taking Russian allies away from them. There is a danger though, if you push someone with a powerful punch into the corner eventualy there wil throw the punch.

Actually, I would tell you what I really think, but I'm pretty sure those kinds of comments would not be acceptable on this forum.

[CCJ]

Russia is a third world country, it can't find a bunch of its nukes, can't protect a majority of the others, and it's military is probably under-funded.

Futhurmore, the U.S. spend a significant amount more on the military than any other country in the world. Even China. There is not, and probably won't be a violent power struggle anytime soon, let alone between the U.S. and Russia

[Damien]

A Tale of Two Superpowers.

Ever since Damien has gone on his little acid trip about the Soviet Empire coming back and destroying America as pointed out in a book by a "defector" who told his story to the CIA and didn't buy it. (Of course, the CIA bought into any rumor of WMDs in Iraq despite the fact some rumors weren't credible. I'd think they'd pay attention... Whatever, I digress)

Some "acid trip" it was that now involves numerous reports coming out of the "former" Soviet Bloc of by now-frequent Russian military exercises against the United States of America and also against Great Britain, statues of Andropov, Stalin, and other such controversial historical figures being rebuilt all across Western Russia, the Communists now coming back into their major old power out in the western Czech Republic, the Kremlin now openly aiding the goals of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (Lenin's very one!), and so forth.

That particular "defector" whom you just so happen to speak of "who told his story to the CIA" has a full total 94%(!) accuracy rate of correct predictions by 1994 - such as the tearing down of the Berlin Wall and the Ceausescu execution - and is still very highly thought of in certain circles, even the more "politically correct" anti-communist ones such as our very own but now-former "Rostem" political forum thinktank(!).

But this got me thinking. Have the Russians(Soviets) and the Americans had an agreement to both rule the world together

No, because all of those massive tunnels that are now currently located just right underneath of Yamantau Mountain would just not at all exist. Nor would Dick Cheney's secret underground "cellar" in the West.

Joel Skousen was once also asked this very same above question and he dismissed this as being just totally unlikely due to the ongoing war preparations and plus the Chinese, Islamic, and current more Middle Eastern factors.

and distract the world population by starting wars in insignificant countries?

No those wars were designed to actually just quite simply build-up the mass anti-American and anti-Semitic feeling that we currently see in the world today in order to turn the whole world against the Americans. This strategy initially had the sole purpose of "cracking NATO" (Nyquist), but it has since actually been extended out to the other traditional more Third World, Middle Eastern enemies of both Russia and China - such as Iran and Turkey both of which Golitsyn mentioned quite specifically certainly in his second book The Perestroika Deception - in order to concrete this on populations who will be just naturally and also geopolitically much more prone today to anti-American thought and feeling, encompassing other such supposedly more "healthy", more patriotic elements as nationalism, anti-Westernism, and anti-Israeliism.

If a new Cold War was to just suddenly break-out tomorrow - just as it quite obviously very nearly did over the ongoing 2002-2003 period, by the way - then just ask yourself: just who's side exactly will France and Germany both be most likely on in it?

No one would ever suspect that Russia and America were busy drawing up territory lines together drinking Vodka and smoking cigars while beyond closed doors they both seemed ready to annihilate eachother with so much as a misplaced tank moving in the wrong direction.

It would take more than that - the NATO expansion notwithstanding, as that could in fact qualify as being just that. Rerember January 15, 1995 aswell.

Who else - population-wise - would currently want war with the Americans? Not just the Muslims, but also most of the Slavs, some of the northern Latin American races, the Chinese Sinos, and there are currently many more others.

Or was this conjectural deal struck up after the fall of the Berlin Wall?

No - because there can be no deal between these two great still-warring superpower sides. The United States only began to know the real danger that it was now in fact actually in after the Berlin Wall came down, and also after about 1991 - at a time when "Russian spying" was purportedly just "stepped-up" on the Western world, by the way.

The Cold War is over, so that means that the USA's and USSR's allies don't need to listen to their superpower nations anymore.

Tell that to North Korea and Taiwan for their different "protectors". Tell that to Israel, Saudi, and now the Iraqi people on the ground.

So if tensions were raised again (Iraq, for example) people wouldn't suspect something was up.

You may think so, but, on the contrary, they did in 2002 and to some extents also in early 2003 chiefly over Iraq, and then just very briefly in October 2003 over the Khodorkovsky arrest case, but as a result of the financial consequences worldwide over it. (What do you expect from the capitalists, after all? )

Concerning the very continuing war "preparations" though, the West has ordered a real "media silence" on this, so that even such admittedly quote openly excessively chauvinistic organisations as Fox News in America cannot even report this. Only the truly jingoistic - NewsMax - will touch on these areas, and even then it is just never, ever truly a main headline on the front page of their website or major publication! (That all now actually said though, when Putin announced the first real major set of Russian military exercises against the West, it was the sub-headline on the NewsMax.com homepage on that particular day.

Except of course some of the allies have switched sides, with the Warsaw Pact nations siding with America and Marshall Plan benefactors with Russia.

Only the westernmost Slavs - i.e.: Germanic Poles and Lithuanian Balts, want American hegemony. The rest all just largely and now mostly want - and in fact now actually just absolutely crave more-and-more as the days just literally go by - Russian or, preferably, Soviet communist hegemony once again. (Bar of-course the Southern Slavs - i.e.: of Romania and Bulgaria - both of which were just never actually truly free of Soviet control, i.e.: after Ceausescu.) But there are barely any "Marshall Plan"-type defectors to "the other side" - the Soviet side.

Maybe America and Russia are gearing up to use their allies as proxies in a meaningless conflict so it's much easier for them both to take power.

Russia definitely is doing this to hide its own major military war preparations. That was what September 11 was largely all about.

By the way, Major Golitsyn predicted this well in advance too, if very much indrectly in his more latter works.


I cannot answer your final question.

Russia is a third world country

In domestic economy only. It remains a military power of some measurable degree regardless of whether Shelepin and Gorbachëv truly planned the absolutely undeniably ground-breaking world events of 1989-Western Christmas Day 1991 or not.

it can't find a bunch of its nukes

Nor can Western weapons inspectors, who have been warned-off when asked about such institutions as Beloretsk 15 & 16, and other such similar current closed-off civilian underground bunkers that remain most mysteriously active deep underground in eastern Czechoslovakia.

can't protect a majority of the others

de·cep·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-spshn)
n.
1. The use of deceit.
2. The fact or state of being deceived.
3. A ruse; a trick.

I would add "a lie".

and it's military is probably under-funded.

Only really many "rank-and-file" soldiers were allowed to leave the Russian - then Soviet - military after about 1990, but a more than very large corps of military officers and non-commissioned officers were not at all decommissioned, and remain on battle alert for what Alexis de Tocqueville once considered as being the inevitable war:

"There are, at the present time, two great nations in the world which seem to tend towards the same end, although they started from different points: I allude to the Russians and the Americans. ... The Anglo-American relies upon personal interest to accomplish his ends, and gives free scope to the unguided exertions and common-sense of the citizens; the Russian centers all the authority of society in a single arm; the principal instrument of the former is freedom; of the latter servitude. Their starting-point is different, and their courses are not the same; yet each of them seems to be marked out by the will of Heaven to sway the destinies of half the globe."

Futhurmore, the U.S. spend a significant amount more on the military than any other country in the world.

Impressive as the United States military war machine might well actually look on the surface, it is, in reality, almost paper-thin(!). Thanks to the billions of dollars that Clinton gave to Yeltsin's Russia in both massive military and economic "civil" aid, Russia is fast nearing towards total but nonetheless absolutely covert military supremacy over the world, and that both can and will only turn overt by nuclear means. What Clinton and Bush fell for now, Harding fell for back in the 1920s. History will repeat itself once again, and the greatness in the absolute accuracy of de Tocqueville back in 1835 will one day be much more widely realised.

Even China.

Likewise with Russia - if not actually to a greater extent by the end of the 1990s - Clinton aid has helped Red China to greatly flourish. It is not a fledgling democracy, but a Soviet-like superpower in the waiting, and, communist or capitalist, the Chinese plans to invade America still remain very much on a strict track. Watch those Alaskan straits.

There is not, and probably won't be a violent power struggle anytime soon, let alone between the U.S. and Russia

But the Russians have conducted numerous but at this stage currently still mock nuclear military exercises against their "allies" in the "War on Terror" some nearly five overt times in the past two years. What is to say that de Tocqueville's predictions are at the very dawn of being actually properly realised, Sun Tzu to now actually add Bush to his great list alongside his right-wing "buddies" of Napoleon and Hitler who also both actually managed to fall absolute victim to his 500 Century BC deception strategy as I have discussed many times before by now on this particular forum and the comparisons between them all , Golitsyn proved to be not a "crock", and, of-course, "Damien" to be proved absolutely right on his major predictions once again?