[MememyselfandIJK]

@Suntzu are you stalking me around the forums or something?

Anyways I highly recommend looking at the name of this category (right above the who is online box)

[Suntzu]

No.

[colliric]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -cops.html

The family are angry at everyone, not just the internet sleuths. They were expecting answers from DC police first and have gotten nothing, no communication at all. They haven't even been told the status of the investigation.

Probably because police would have to admit it is a Murder investigation, even if it was just a straightforward random shooting.

[Suntzu]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4516416/DNC-staffer-Seth-Rich-family-demand-answers-cops.html

The family are angry at everyone, not just the internet sleuths. They were expecting answers from DC police first and have gotten nothing, no communication at all. They haven't even been told the status of the investigation.

Probably because police would have to admit it is a Murder investigation, even if it was just a straightforward random shooting.

More likely an attempted alien abduction.

[MememyselfandIJK]

More likely an attempted alien abduction.

**Groan First denying the holocaust, now talking about aliens...

[Prosthetic Conscience]

TL;DR summary: Dotcom tried to fabricate the evidence to link Rich to Wikileaks. It is all a scam.

The life and death of the Seth Rich conspiracy theory

​When Seth Rich's Gmail account received an alert this week from Mega.com, attempting to start a new account on a website created by the New Zealand-based internet businessman and convicted hacker Kim Dotcom, his family knew that something was off.

Over seven frenzied days, Dotcom had become a leading purveyor of the theory that Rich, a staffer at the Democratic National Committee who was shot dead near his home in Washington last summer, had supplied DNC documents to WikiLeaks and was killed as a result. Multiple security analysts and an FBI investigation have tied the release to hackers with ties to Russia. DC police have said repeatedly that they think Rich was slain in a random robbery attempt.

According to experts and Rich's family, the emailed invitation from [email protected] appeared to be an attempt to gain access to Rich's email. Joel Rich, who maintains his late son's Gmail account, did not click the link. Meanwhile, Dotcom was promising on Twitter to prove that the younger Rich had been in contact with WikiLeaks - and Fox News host Sean Hannity was telling his 2.37 million Twitter followers to be ready for a revelation.

Hannity had invited Dotcom to appear on his show for what he said on Twitter would be a "#GameChanger" interview. The implication: that Dotcom would finally offer evidence of his claim that Rich had sent internal DNC documents to WikiLeaks before his death.

All that began to unravel Tuesday afternoon, when Fox News retracted a story that had claimed the same Rich-WikiLeaks connection, telling readers that the article was "not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting." Fox News did not respond to a request for comment, but Dotcom wrote on his website that he would not speak further about his allegations.

The latest revelation - that a hacker from New Zealand may have been trying as recently as this week to hack into Rich's email - offered fresh evidence that the conspiracy theory is false. There may have been an attempt to create a fake archive of emails from Rich to "prove" his role in the DNC hack.

"It looks like someone set up a fake Gmail account, then used that Gmail account to create the Mega account," said James Lewis, cybersecurity expert and a senior vice president at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies. "This part is pretty standard. Mega then checks with Gmail to see if the account exists, which is Mega's somewhat cheesy way of authenticating identity. You then get to set up the Mega account. It's a system designed to enable pseudonyms and fake identities."

Mega.nz, a data security company that Dotcom founded, did not respond to a request for comment.

The episode also demonstrated how fake news can be flung from fringe media to the mainstream. A conspiracy theory that began on pro-President Donald Trump message boards - a theory that Rich was actually a mole who wanted to expose corruption at the DNC - was fed by Russian news outlets including RT and Sputnik. The Daily Mail, Fox News' website and a number of other mainstream outlets with large audiences churned through false information and leading questions, sowing confusion that Rich's family struggled to combat.

In addition to Hannity, former House speaker Newt Gingrich on Sunday said on Fox and Friends that the story was worth investigating, a sentiment he repeated in a short interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday.

"I don't know anything about it," Gingrich said. "I know exactly what has been said on the various blog sites ... I think it is worth looking at."

In a statement, Rich's family told The Post that they were investigating whether someone attempted to gain access to Rich's email account. "We are outraged that certain individuals continue to try to use Seth's name and memory to advance their political and ideological agendas," they said. "We hope people will think twice the next time someone makes an outlandish claim to have discovered new evidence in this case."

A family spokesman went further, criticising Fox News for fanning the flames.

"We are hopeful that in the future that Fox News will work with the family to ensure the highest degree of professionalism and scrutiny is followed so that only accurate facts are reported surrounding this case," said Brad Bauman, a progressive communications strategist working with the Rich family.

Dotcom did not respond to an emailed question about the Mega account, but his story about Rich has altered since some attention-grabbing tweets. On May 16, he mentioned Rich for the first time, after a follower asked what he thought of the conspiracy theory that Rich was tied to the release of thousands of internal DNC documents.

On May 19, Dotcom asked for Google to release the contents of Rich's Gmail account, as well as two accounts that online sleuths had claimed belonged to him.

Later that day, Dotcom said that he was willing to "give written testimony with evidence" that Rich had passed the DNC documents to WikiLeaks.

That attracted the interest of Hannity, who had devoted several segments of his radio and TV show to the conspiracy theory. Dotcom then claimed that he would be able to reveal what he knew after talking to lawyers.

But in a Tuesday message that Dotcom posted on his website, he claimed only to know that "Seth Rich was involved" in the DNC hack, and that he would give his full statement after a "guarantee from Special Counsel (Robert S.) Mueller, on behalf of the United States, of safe passage from New Zealand to the United States and back."

"I know this because in late 2014 a person contacted me about helping me to start a branch of the Internet Party in the United States," Dotcom said. "He called himself Panda. I now know that Panda was Seth Rich. Panda advised me that he was working on voter analytics tools and other technologies that the Internet Party may find helpful."

Dotcom provided no evidence to corroborate this. "We are unaware of any contact between Seth and Kim Dotcom and are not aware of Seth ever discussing the need for an 'Internet Party,'" Rich's family said in a statement.

Dotcom had made similarly grandiose claims before and had been found to have fabricated evidence. In 2014, Dotcom claimed to have email evidence that motion picture industry executives conspired with New Zealand's government to send him to the United States, where he could be charged for several crimes. He organised a high-profile event, "the Moment of Truth," days ahead of the New Zealand election. His guests talked about government spying; Dotcom drew attention to the phony email.

There would be another shot at the spotlight when Hannity and other conservative media figures asked whether Rich could be linked to WikiLeaks, thereby proving that there had been no Russia-linked hacking of the DNC. On Hannity's show, a private investigator named Rod Wheeler, who had been paid by a conservative donor to investigate the murder, retracted his claim that Rich's laptop was in FBI custody and contained evidence of a WikiLeaks connection. Neither allegation was true, according to Rich's family.

"We know that Seth's personal email and his personal computer were both inspected by detectives early in the investigation and that the inspection revealed no evidence of any communications with anyone at WikiLeaks or anyone associated with WikiLeaks," Rich's parents wrote in a column published Tuesday evening by The Post.

Yet for days, Fox News declined to correct or remove a story claiming that Rich's "emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department." The story, published on May 16 by Fox reporter Malia Zimmerman, contained specific details of what had been done and what had been covered up, citing a "federal investigator" in reporting that Rich "made contact with WikiLeaks."

WikiLeaks's Julian Assange had persistently fed rumours of a connection with Rich without providing evidence. He has offered a $20,000 reward for information about Rich's killer, and he has used an interview with Dutch television, an interview with Hannity and several tweets to suggest that Rich's case showed why WikiLeaks sources tread carefully. He has never explicitly said whether Rich was a source.

Zimmerman did not answer emails or a phone call about her story, which Fox retracted in its entirety on Tuesday.

It was not the only flimsy lead. Roger Stone, a Trump ally who according to NBC News is cooperating with an investigation into whether the 2016 Trump campaign coordinated with Russian contacts, said this week that Rich had clearly given the DNC documents to a third-party source "in a floppy disk form." But the source in his theory, a British ex-diplomat, had told Russia's Sputnik news outlet that he had heard about the hack secondhand - then told the Daily Mail he had gotten documents in September, months after Rich's death.

According to Clint Watts, a senior fellow at the Centre For Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University, none of the "inside man" scenarios make sense. The FBI, he noted, had come to the DNC to report a data breach months before anything was published by WikiLeaks.

The collapse of the story came only after a number of conservative voices drew attention to it. On Monday, Rush Limbaugh told listeners that Dotcom was "renowned" and "world famous", with a story to tell.

"This story is now starting to get legs, that Seth Rich was murdered, it was a contract hire killing because he was leaking to WikiLeaks," Limbaugh said.

On Tuesday, Hannity told his radio listeners that he would keep fighting to disprove "this Russia collusion narrative" and be proven right.

"I will do the mainstream media's job like I have for most of my career," Hannity said. "All you in the liberal media, I am not Fox.com or FoxNews.com. I retracted nothing."

Then, on the Tuesday night episode of Hannity's show - the one that conspiracy theorists hoped would showcase the "game-changer" interview with Dotcom - Hannity said he had exchanged letters which Rich's family and would not discuss the story.

"Out of respect for the family, I am not discussing this matter at this time," Hannity said. "But to the extent of my ability I am not going to stop trying to find the truth."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/92958124/t ... acy-theory

[colliric]

TL;DR summary: Dotcom tried to fabricate the evidence to link Rich to Wikileaks. It is all a scam.

To be honest with you, anyone could have done what is described in that article. I know how to do that(setup a fake account and what not).

You know anyone who wanted to discredit these claims from him would do that.

The using a fake Gmail account thing makes this reporting suspicious to me as ANYONE can do that. Totally looks like someone deliberately did this.

Kim Dotcom responded on twitter:
https://www.teaparty.org/liberal-media- ... ds-239328/

Just ".nz" appeared in the address doesn't mean the original fake Gmail account used to do this originated to New Zealand.

Also this is exactly what people who wanted to discredit this latest development WOULD DO.

[mikema63]

The conspiracy deepens!

[LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX]

Conspiracy theorist logic.

(1) Start with a hypothesis
(2) Never look for information that will discredit this hypothesis
(3) Manipulate and emphasize cherry picked information that somewhat makes the hypothesis sound a little bit plausible
(4) Repeat step 2 for as long as possible until people get bored of arguing with you
(5) "SEE I TOLD YOU THE CONSPIRACY IS REAL!" they scream to each other in their echo chambers
(6) Optional: one day realize how stupid you were and move on with your life

[ArtAllm]

Conspiracy theorist logic.

(1) Start with a hypothesis
(2) Never look for information that will discredit this hypothesis
(3) Manipulate and emphasize cherry picked information that somewhat makes the hypothesis sound a little bit plausible
(4) Repeat step 2 for as long as possible until people get bored of arguing with you
(5) "SEE I TOLD YOU THE CONSPIRACY IS REAL!" they scream to each other in their echo chambers

Sounds like the CTs about Bin Laden's 911, Saddam's WMD or Putin's hacking of American election.



And there are even CTs that you have to believe in, if you aske wrong questions about these CT, they will imprison you in some "free" countries.

[Hong Wu]

I think the Seth Rich thing is at least as credible as the "Russians control Trump" or whatever that narrative is supposed to be, since they never go into specifics on what crime Trump is supposed to have committed and just take it as a given that Russians hacked the DNC server, even though the DNC won't let the authorities examine their server, which would be a threshold question before you assume that it was (1) hacked (2) by Russians.

As such, if we're investigating Trump and the GOP over a hazily defined Russian thing that hasn't been fully defined or even examined at its most basic level, we should also investigate Seth Rich and the DNC.

[Suntzu]

So is Seth Rich really dead? Did Assange really offer a reward in Rich's murder?

[LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX]

I think the Seth Rich thing is at least as credible as the "Russians control Trump" or whatever that narrative is supposed to be, since they never go into specifics on what crime Trump is supposed to have committed and just take it as a given that Russians hacked the DNC server, even though the DNC won't let the authorities examine their server, which would be a threshold question before you assume that it was (1) hacked (2) by Russians.

As such, if we're investigating Trump and the GOP over a hazily defined Russian thing that hasn't been fully defined or even examined at its most basic level, we should also investigate Seth Rich and the DNC.

General Flynn resigned over it. That's pretty much a smoking gun.

[ArtAllm]

General Flynn resigned over it. That's pretty much a smoking gun.

That is typical Circular Reasoning!

[colliric]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kim-dotcom-ope ... ms-1623361

It's obvious this was a blatant attempt to undermine forthcoming details in the case.