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#14836348
One Degree wrote:Wow! What an emotional, nonsensical post. I never watch YouTube, other than some of what gets posted here and I ignore 99% of those.


Your sourcing for your facts sounds very thorough. Who can argue with someone that bases his arguments on uncited "video's I've seen" that aren't on YouTube and ignores 99% of other video information?

I have fought in riots. Your guesses at my background and experience are meaningless.


Perhaps, but since you have never cited a source and you're using mysterious videos that aren't on youtube, haven't been cited, and that cause you to reject 99% of other videos, I thought I'd take a stab at some kind of anecdotal information.

Why does every photo of Antifa show them grouped in fireteam size? Why the need to hide their identity? This is stereotypical insurrection tactics.


This is part of well-established black bloc tactics. They've been in use since at least the 1970s to make prosecution more difficult.

...Unless of course George Soros has that pesky time machine!

The US has been doing this in other countries since WW II.
You would have to be blind not to see the similarities.


What a wonderful line of reasoning that not only has no citations, but makes a giant leap at causality in order to justify your feelings.
#14836350
Have you forgotten what we are arguing about? 'Black bloc tactics' fits exactly into the definition of a conspiracy. :?:
#14836356
The evidence for it may be sketchy to say the least and picked up and repeated by sketchy people but it is not implausible.

- Soros, understandably, is a naziphobe, he was a kid during the nazi occupation of Hungary where he lived, he might of died at their hands but for some maneouvering.

- He is really rich and like many people with a vast fortune likes to spend it on worthy causes

- It is quite possible that such a dyed in the wool naziphobe would see "bashing the fash" as a worthy cause

- He favoured Hillary over Trump

- "nazis" seem to prefer Trump over Hillary

- Everybody in the broad Hillary camp likes to call anyone who is a Trump supporter a Nazi

- Antifa are a vast gang of lumpenproles, college dropouts, sex workers and unemployable phds in mickey mouse subjects whose tattered self esteem hangs on their glorious crusade against fascism both real and imagined, their one outlet for wearing a costume and playing superhero. They do this for free generally because they are in it for the kicks but if someone were to see them as "worthy cause" I wonder if they wouldn't take a little financial help? Bus tickets to demos need to be paid for after all. If Soros or similiar doesn't pay then it has to come out the money they raise by selling hashish or blowjobs.
#14836360
SolarCross wrote:The evidence for it may be sketchy to say the least and picked up and repeated by sketchy people but it is not implausible.


The first thing I have to ask is why you give it credence if you admit it's sketchy and is promoted by sketchy people.

You're not a dumb person. What about you makes you want to believe a conspiracy theory that you yourself admit doesn't have a lot of ground to stand on?

- Soros, understandably, is a naziphobe, he was a kid during the nazi occupation of Hungary where he lived, he might of died at their hands but for some maneouvering.

- He is really rich and like many people with a vast fortune likes to spend it on worthy causes


These things are true, and are true of a good many billionaires.

- It is quite possible that such a dyed in the wool naziphobe would see "bashing the fash" as a worthy cause

- He favoured Hillary over Trump

- "nazis" seem to prefer Trump over Hillary

- Everybody in the broad Hillary camp likes to call anyone who is a Trump supporter a Nazi

- Antifa are a vast gang of lumpenproles, college dropouts, sex workers and unemployable phds in mickey mouse subjects whose tattered self esteem hangs on their glorious crusade against fascism both real and imagined, their one outlet for wearing a costume and playing superhero. They do this for free generally because they are in it for the kicks but if someone were to see them as "worthy cause" I wonder if they wouldn't take a little financial help? Bus tickets to demos need to be paid for after all. If Soros or similiar doesn't pay then it has to come out the money they raise by selling hashish or blowjobs.


Along the same lines of reasoning, one could conclude that the Koch brothers are secretly funding the pro-Trump protesters.

-It is quite possible that they would see bashing the opposition to their power as a worthy cause.

-They favored Trump over Hillary

-"leftists" seem to prefer Hillary over Trump

- Everybody in the broad Trump camp likes to call anyone who is a Hillary supporter a socialist

- Pro-Trump protesters are are a vast gang of lumpenproles, opiate addicts, white supremacists and unemployable hicks that dropped out of high school whose tattered self esteem hangs on their glorious crusade against socialism both real and imagined, their one outlet for wearing a costume and playing superhero. They do this for free generally because they are in it for the kicks but if someone were to see them as "worthy cause" I wonder if they wouldn't take a little financial help? Bus tickets to demos need to be paid for after all. If the Koch brothers or similiar doesn't pay then it has to come out the money they raise by selling meth or gay blowjobs.

...Of course, the left tends not to make such arguments because, as pointed out, there is no evidence for it. But the logic is exactly as sound.
#14836370
The Immortal Goon wrote:The first thing I have to ask is why you give it credence if you admit it's sketchy and is promoted by sketchy people.

You're not a dumb person. What about you makes you want to believe a conspiracy theory that you yourself admit doesn't have a lot of ground to stand on?


I am just saying it is possible. If it were to happen it would not be a straight forward matter proving it but an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So at most we can say there is no sure evidence but it is a thing that is plausible. Certain people are being too credulous because they want it to be true, be careful that you are not too incredulous because you want it not to be true.

The Immortal Goon wrote:Along the same lines of reasoning, one could conclude that the Koch brothers are secretly funding the pro-Trump protesters.

-It is quite possible that they would see bashing the opposition to their power as a worthy cause.

-They favored Trump over Hillary

-"leftists" seem to prefer Hillary over Trump

- Everybody in the broad Trump camp likes to call anyone who is a Hillary supporter a socialist

- Pro-Trump protesters are are a vast gang of lumpenproles, opiate addicts, white supremacists and unemployable hicks that dropped out of high school whose tattered self esteem hangs on their glorious crusade against socialism both real and imagined, their one outlet for wearing a costume and playing superhero. They do this for free generally because they are in it for the kicks but if someone were to see them as "worthy cause" I wonder if they wouldn't take a little financial help? Bus tickets to demos need to be paid for after all. If the Koch brothers or similiar doesn't pay then it has to come out the money they raise by selling meth or gay blowjobs.

...Of course, the left tends not to make such arguments because, as pointed out, there is no evidence for it. But the logic is exactly as sound.

Well I wouldn't be surprised if the Koch brothers did fund the odd demo. I am not sure that I would put them in the Trump camp necessarily though I suppose to them he might look like a better horse than Hillary, even Billionaires have to make do with what is available. Billionaires are no more immune to the activist impulse as anyone but being billionaires they would scratch that itch by paying someone else to do it for them...

Leftists certainly are not above making unfounded accusations and believing them with fervour, my impression is that it is practically their MO (I am not saying the "right" are any better - to err is human)
#14836388
So you are then conceding that it is just as likely that all these white supremacists and other bigots are all actually oaid troublemakers who are working for the Republicans, and that they have no real concerns or agency themselves.

Also, there is the implied argument by the OP that no one would actually protest against racism. They would, instead, only do it if they were paid to do so.
#14836406
It's nice that while Soros is a naziphobe actual nazis supporting Trump are just "nazis".

Also, I oppose using the Conspiracy Theories subforum as a trash bin. The idea of class struggle is a conspiracy theory too saying that the ruling class conspire against the working class all the time. It basically says the ruling class are like lions conspiring against the bulls they are hunting for and advocates the working class to organise themselves in their own defence like bulls do, and they should sweep away the predators finally.

President Kennedy warned the people about a ruthless conspiracy as well.

Conspiracies do actually exist and some conspiracy theories are actually right.
#14836416
Beren wrote:Also, I oppose using the Conspiracy Theories subforum as a trash bin.


It's not a trash bin. The author of the OP calls it a conspiracy theory. If you don't like idea that the Illuminati is using space lasers to close your mystical third eye, or that there are secret videos that One Degree won't share that prove his points, then that's your choice. But they have a write to say what they want.

Beren wrote:The idea of class struggle is a conspiracy theory too saying that the ruling class conspire against the working class all the time. It basically says the ruling class are like lions conspiring against the bulls they are hunting for and advocates the working class to organise themselves in their own defence like bulls do, and they should sweep away the predators finally.


Class struggle is systematic, not conspiratorial.
#14836418
The Immortal Goon wrote:It's not a trash bin. The author of the OP calls it a conspiracy theory. If you don't like idea that the Illuminati is using space lasers to close your mystical third eye, or that there are secret videos that One Degree won't share that prove his points, then that's your choice. But they have a write to say what they want.

So any lunatic nonsense can be considered a conspiracy theory?


The Immortal Goon wrote:Class struggle is systematic, not conspiratorial.

It may be systematic, but it's not completely spontaneous. They are conspiring.
#14836419
Beren wrote:So any lunatic nonsense can be considered a conspiracy theory?


Anything that calls itself a conspiracy theory especially.

Beren wrote:It may be systematic, but it's not completely spontaneous. They are conspiring.


If they are conspiring, then it's a conspiracy.

The concept of class struggle, however, doesn't depend upon that.
#14836421
The Immortal Goon wrote:Anything that calls itself a conspiracy theory especially.

So what if they call themselves chickens? Are they chickens then?

The Immortal Goon wrote:If they are conspiring, then it's a conspiracy.

The concept of class struggle, however, doesn't depend upon that.

It doesn't depend on that like the Evolution Theory doesn't depend on whether lions are actually conspiring against the bulls to hunt them down, although they are, they are predators and the bulls have to defend themselves anyways.
#14836484
The Immortal Goon wrote:There is literally no other explanation for why people would want to stop a car from running into people. It must be a conspiracy!

You said you determine what is a conspiracy theory on here. because you are the god of conspiracy theories.
However, I only worship one God. Praise the Lord. HalleluYah.
#14836498
I think it rather admirable for Democrats to actually pay their terrorist thugs. Unlike, the Republicans who depend on amateurs sporting tiki torches. You pay for what you get, I suppose, but any money spent on antifa is even more wasted that 150 million Russian banks advanced on Trump.

From what I can tell, antifa are doing their thing for the thrills rather than the cash. I guess if you paid them, however, they wouldn't object that much. What puzzles me though, is why the Democrats would fund a group that hates them so much. Antifa hate Democrats about 1000X more than BernieBros hate PUMAs. Antifa in thrall to the Demos makes about as much sense as Debbie Wasserman Schultz cashing Bernie's Our Revolution group.

What I'm saying is the aims of these groups are not in alignment - in fact, they are agonistic. Who benefits from antifa thuggery? Obviously, the only benefit accrues to the authoritarian right. This has historically been the case with anarchist direct action. Antifa are not known for being deep thinkers, but the few that actually bother to justify their actions acknowledge this. They want this. They want to make things worse to hasten the downfall of the state (as if).

Here's a kind of challenge, to test your sincerity. I'm willing to ban all masked, armored, or gas-mask wearing demonstrators. I'm in favor of the immediate arrest of any demonstrators lobbing or carrying bricks, rocks, or the like. I'm willing to ban all demonstrators wearing fatigues (stolen valor, anyone?) and carrying rifles. I'm willing to arrest any armed demonstrators that occupy federal facilities (like wildlife refuges). I'm willing to restrict demonstrations, so that opposing groups cannot confront each other (different times and locations).

I'm guessing not too many of my friends on the right are willing to jump on this bandwagon.
#14836500
quetzalcoatl wrote:I think it rather admirable for Democrats to actually pay their terrorist thugs. Unlike, the Republicans who depend on amateurs sporting tiki torches. You pay for what you get, I suppose, but any money spent on antifa is even more wasted that 150 million Russian banks advanced on Trump.

From what I can tell, antifa are doing their thing for the thrills rather than the cash. I guess if you paid them, however, they wouldn't object that much. What puzzles me though, is why the Democrats would fund a group that hates them so much. Antifa hate Democrats about 1000X more than BernieBros hate PUMAs. Antifa in thrall to the Demos makes about as much sense as Debbie Wasserman Schultz cashing Bernie's Our Revolution group.

What I'm saying is the aims of these groups are not in alignment - in fact, they are agonistic. Who benefits from antifa thuggery? Obviously, the only benefit accrues to the authoritarian right. This has historically been the case with anarchist direct action. Antifa are not known for being deep thinkers, but the few that actually bother to justify their actions acknowledge this. They want this. They want to make things worse to hasten the downfall of the state (as if).

Here's a kind of challenge, to test your sincerity. I'm willing to ban all masked, armored, or gas-mask wearing demonstrators. I'm in favor of the immediate arrest of any demonstrators lobbing or carrying bricks, rocks, or the like. I'm willing to ban all demonstrators wearing fatigues (stolen valor, anyone?) and carrying rifles. I'm willing to arrest any armed demonstrators that occupy federal facilities (like wildlife refuges). I'm willing to restrict demonstrations, so that opposing groups cannot confront each other (different times and locations).

I'm guessing not too many of my friends on the right are willing to jump on this bandwagon.


Seems sensible to me. As far as the rest of your post, liberals do support the authoritarian right. They have done a 180 on most of their principles. Hillary should have made this clear to anyone, but people love their fantasies.
#14836501
Beren wrote:So what if they call themselves chickens? Are they chickens then?


The videos posted in the OP are made by this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHrDpT ... VbA/videos

TIG has already posted a list of some of his notable videos, of which include "HIV is a government eugenics program" and "proof of aliens at Roswell discovered," among others
#14836505
quetzalcoatl wrote:What I'm saying is the aims of these groups are not in alignment - in fact, they are agonistic. Who benefits from antifa thuggery? Obviously, the only benefit accrues to the authoritarian right. This has historically been the case with anarchist direct action. Antifa are not known for being deep thinkers, but the few that actually bother to justify their actions acknowledge this. They want this. They want to make things worse to hasten the downfall of the state (as if).

I would say all our enemies benefit from all this childish temper tantrums of the far left. Only Soros and the deep state know if anyone else benefits. I certainly don't see any benefit for me. I can;t even understand anyone making a fool of themselves by participating in this kind of thuggery, even if they do get $25 dollars an hour for it.
Bulaba Jones wrote:TIG has already posted a list of some of his notable videos, of which include "HIV is a government eugenics program" and "proof of aliens at Roswell discovered," among others

That is because TIG is the conspiracy theory god.
#14836508
One Degree wrote:Seems sensible to me. As far as the rest of your post, liberals do support the authoritarian right. They have done a 180 on most of their principles. Hillary should have made this clear to anyone, but people love their fantasies.


Liberals ARE the authoritarian right. They always have been, so I don't agree there's been a 180. Movement conservatives are not an alternative to authoritarianism, as you have apparently discovered. Trump posed as an alternative, but shafted the insurgence.

Hindsite wrote:TIG is the conspiracy theory god.


Somebody's got to be the conspiracy theory god. Otherwise we'd spending our time discussing holographic planes hitting the twin towers.
#14836512
quetzalcoatl wrote:Liberals ARE the authoritarian right. They always have been, so I don't agree there's been a 180. Movement conservatives are not an alternative to authoritarianism, as you have apparently discovered. Trump posed as an alternative, but shafted the insurgence.

Don't forget that Trump still has Democrats in the White House giving him advice and attempting to muzzle him, so that he seems presidential, according to the politically correct police. Sometimes, they are able to succeed with the help of some Republicans and the FAKE News media.
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