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blackjack21 wrote:Conservatives aren't socialists. Nazis are socialists. It's unlikely that the two will unite.


Despite your ignorance of the word, "socialism," conservatives and the Nazis both had a big rally to unite. And you seem to be intent on swallowing and regurgitating Nazi horseshit. But here we go...

Although, Obama voter and Occupy Wall Street protester, Jason Kessler, who decided for some unknown reason in November 2016, as Trump won the election, to become a white supremacist organizer decided to recruit neo-Nazi groups, the Ku Klux Klan and various other white supremacist factions along with mainstream Southerners who want to preserve Confederate statutes and history to hold a rally in Charlottesville, VA. The Jewish mayor would not issue a permit. Kessler was helped by the leftwing ACLU to force the Jewish mayor to issue a permit to assemble. The Jewish mayor issued the permit, and then called off the police from keeping the peace as Soros-funded groups like Antifa and BLM came from a separate area to violently confront Kessler's ragtag band of fringe groups.


Of course. It was all a clever Jew conspiracy. How could someone possibly confuse you right-wingers with Nazis?

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We're not going to become Nazis, because most of us oppose socialism outright. We're hip to the drill now.


History fail.

The fascists publicly and adamantly demanded Marxism had to be rooted out:

Mussolini wrote:Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism.


Mussolini wrote:...Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. . . .


Hitler wrote:...And it is the greatest source of pride to us that we have been able to carry through this revolution, which is certainly the greatest revolution ever experienced in the history of our people, with a minimum of loss and sacrifice. Only in those cases where the murderous lust of the Bolsheviks, even after the 30th of January, 1933, led them to think that by the use of brute force they could prevent the success and realization of the National Socialist ideal—only then did we answer violence with violence, and naturally we did it promptly...

...I mean here that if Europe does not awaken to the danger of the Bolshevic infection, then I fear that international commerce will not increase but decrease, despite all the good intentions of individual statesmen. For this commerce is based not only on the undisturbed and guaranteed stability of production in one individual nation but also on the production of all the nations together. One of the first things which is clear in this matter is that every Bolshevic disturbance must necessarily lead to a more or less permanent destruction of orderly production. Therefore my opinion about the future of Europe is, I am sorry to say, not so optimistic as Mr. Eden’s. I am the responsible leader of the German people and must safeguard its interests in this world as well as I can. And therefore I am bound to judge things objectively as I see them.

I should not be acquitted before the bar of our history if I neglected something—no matter on what grounds—which is necessary to maintain the existence of this people. I am pleased, and we are all pleased, at every increase that takes place in our foreign trade. But in view of the obscure political situation I shall not neglect anything that is necessary to guarantee the existence of the German people, although other nations may become the victims of the Bolshevic infection.

...But I believe that nobody will question the sincerity of our opinions on this matter, for they are not based merely on abstract theory. For Mr. Eden Bolshevism is perhaps a thing which has its seat in Moscow, but for us in Germany this Bolshevism is a pestilence against which we have had to struggle at the cost of much bloodshed. It is a pestilence which tried to turn our country into the same kind of desert as is now the case in Spain; for the habit of murdering hostages began here, in the form in which we now see it in Spain. National Socialism did not try to come to grips with Bolshevism in Russia, but the Jewish international Bolshevics in Moscow have tried to introduce their system into Germany and are still trying to do so. Against this attempt we have waged a bitter struggle, not only in defence of our own civilization but in defence of European civilization as a whole.

In January and February of the year 1933, when the last decisive struggle against this barbarism was being fought out in Germany, had Germany been defeated in that struggle and had the Bolshevic field of destruction and death extended over Central Europe, then perhaps a different opinion would have arisen on the banks of the Thames as to the nature of this terrible menace to humanity. For since it is said that England must be defended on the frontier of the Rhine she would then have found herself in close contact with that harmless democratic world of Moscow, whose innocence they are always trying to impress upon us. Here I should like to state the following once again: —

The teaching of Bolshevism is that there must be a world revolution, which would mean world-destruction. If such a doctrine were accepted and given equal rights with other teachings in Europe, this would mean that Europe would be delivered over to it. If other nations want to be on good terms with this peril, that does not affect Germany’s position. As far as Germany itself is concerned, let there be no doubts on the following points: —

(1) We look on Bolshevism as a world peril for which there must be no toleration.

(2) We use every means in our power to keep this peril away from our people.

(3) And we are trying to make the German people immune to this peril as far as possible.

It is in accordance with this attitude of ours that we should avoid close contact with the carriers of these poisonous bacilli. And that is also the reason why we do not want to have any closer relations with them beyond the necessary political and commercial relations; for if we went beyond these we might thereby run the risk of closing the eyes of our people to the danger itself.

I consider Bolshevism the most malignant poison that can be given to a people. And therefore I do not want my own people to come into contact with this teaching. As a citizen of this nation I myself shall not do what I should have to condemn my fellow-citizens for doing. I demand from every German workman that he shall not have any relations with these international mischief-makers and he shall never see me clinking glasses or rubbing shoulders with them. Moreover, any further treaty connections with the present Bolshevic Russia would be completely worthless for us. It is out of the question to think that National Socialist Germany should ever be bound to protect Bolshevism or that we, on our side, should ever agree to accept the assistance of a Bolshevic State. For I fear that the moment any nation should agree to accept such assistance, it would thereby seal its own doom.


Hitler wrote:I aimed from the first at something a thousand times higher than being a minister. I wanted to become the destroyer of Marxism. I am going to achieve this task and, if I do, the title of minister will be an absurdity as far as I am concerned. . . .

At one time I believed that perhaps this battle against Marxism could be carried on with the help of the government. In January, 1923, I learned that that was just not possible. The hypothesis for the victory of Marxism is not that Germany must be free, but rather Germany will only be free when Marxism is broken. At that time I did not dream that our movement would become great and cover Germany like a flood.]Hitler[/url]"]I aimed from the first at something a thousand times higher than being a minister. I wanted to become the destroyer of Marxism. I am going to achieve this task and, if I do, the title of minister will be an absurdity as far as I am concerned. . . .

At one time I believed that perhaps this battle against Marxism could be carried on with the help of the government. In January, 1923, I learned that that was just not possible. The hypothesis for the victory of Marxism is not that Germany must be free, but rather Germany will only be free when Marxism is broken. At that time I did not dream that our movement would become great and cover Germany like a flood.


Hitler wrote:IN NOVEMBER, 1918, Marxist organizations seized the executive power by means of a revolution. The monarchs were dethroned, the authorities of the Reich and of the States removed from office, and thereby a breach of the Constitution was committed. The success of the revolution in a material sense protected the guilty parties from the hands of the law. They sought to justify it morally by asserting that Germany or its Government bore the guilt for the outbreak of the War.

This assertion was deliberately and actually untrue. In consequence, however, these untrue accusations in the interest of our former enemies led to the severest oppression of the entire German nation and to the breach of the assurances given to us in Wilson's fourteen points, and so for Germany, that is to say the working classes of the German people, to a time of infinite misfortune....

The splitting up of the nation into groups with irreconcilable views, systematically brought about by the false doctrines of Marxism, means the destruction of the basis of a possible communal life.... It is only the creation of a real national community, rising above the interests and differences of rank and class, that can permanently remove the source of nourishment of these aberrations of the human mind.


Finally, this was something brought up in the lifetime of these people. And, like back then, the argument only works if you completely ignore the mechanics for how each of these ideologies positioned themselves.

Trotsky wrote:A moralizing Philistine’s favorite method is the lumping of reaction’s conduct with that of revolution. He achieves success in this device through recourse to formal analogies. To him czarism and Bolshevism are twins. Twins are likewise discovered in fascism and communism. An inventory is compiled of the common features in Catholicism – or more specifically, Jesuitism – and Bolshevism. Hitler and Mussolini, utilizing from their side exactly the same method, disclose that liberalism, democracy, and Bolshevism represent merely different manifestations of one and the same evil. The conception that Stalinism and Trotskyism are “essentially” one and the same now enjoys the joint approval of liberals, democrats, devout Catholics, idealists, pragmatists, and anarchists. If the Stalinists are unable to adhere to this “People’s Front”, then it is only because they are accidentally occupied with the extermination of Trotskyists.

The fundamental feature of these approchements and similitudes lies in their completely ignoring the material foundation of the various currents, that is, their class nature and by that token their objective historical role. Instead they evaluate and classify different currents according to some external and secondary manifestation, most often according to their relation to one or another abstract principle which for the given classifier has a special professional value. Thus to the Roman pope Freemasons and Darwinists, Marxists and anarchists are twins because all of them sacrilegiously deny the immaculate conception. To Hitler, liberalism and Marxism are twins because they ignore “blood and honor”. To a democrat, fascism and Bolshevism are twins because they do not bow before universal suffrage. And so forth.


In short, exactly what you are advocating.

Blackjack21 wrote:Yea. That's why we think this is just a bunch of George Soros, DNC, media-driven bullshit.


Of course you do. Your buddies came to the same conclusion about the Jews running everything.

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Blackjack21 wrote:Kessler was an Obama voter and Occupy Wall Street protester (Occupy Wall Street being a totally phony left-wing protest to begin with). After Trump won, he decided to become a white supremacist. I find that a little far fetched.


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Blackjack21 wrote:We know we're being played by Soros, et. al. It's bullshit... Former Obama voter and Occupy Wall Street protesters who have suddenly decided to become white supremacists do that. We're just wondering why we are supposed to condemn them.


Just as your friends always said, there's a Jew behind the facade pulling all the strings:

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In short, by blaming everything on the international conspiracy of the cunning Jew, you sure are distancing yourselves from those Nazis! :lol:
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Prosthetic Conscience wrote:What's the latest conspiracy theory, then - that she's not really dead? That she was killed somewhere else and rushed to the scene to be a corpse after the poor harassed Nazi just accidentally drove several blocks at high speed towards and through a crowd, but didn't actually cause any harm so they had to make it look like he did? That a matter transporter place her body there? That the body is really that of another marginalised white supremacist given a quick sex change and plast surgery?


MB started a conspiracy theory thread accredited to me when I wasn't the one promoting any theories.

I was only pointing out that I haven't seen Heather Heyer in any photos or videos and I challenged someone to show it to me. There seems to be videos of everything and everyone else except Heyer, including a lot of people NOT Heyer having been hit.

I simply find this discrepancy to be very odd, but I don't necessarily believe that she didn't die or that the car crash event was staged, although there are some really odd inconsistencies. You can find them here

In the videos that got released they show people dodging the Challenger as it rear ends a car that is being block a crowd of people, however the photos show a fat woman in green laying on the Challenger. It is not known if that woman is Heyer or not, but people are assuming that it is her.
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Well, the Democrats hate America and they hate Trump too. So I don't think the premise stands.

Well, you don't seem to think much @blackjack21, and your response fits a useful idiot (for those who hate America) perfectly.
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The Immortal Goon wrote:Of course. It was all a clever Jew conspiracy. How could someone possibly confuse you right-wingers with Nazis?


Jesus christ what is with the Nazis and their flowchart line diagrams? Oh fuck those lines are pointing at names- I've never seen harder evidence of a definitive zionist conspiracy.

Maz wrote:I was only pointing out that I haven't seen Heather Heyer in any photos or videos and I challenged someone to show it to me. There seems to be videos of everything and everyone else except Heyer, including a lot of people NOT Heyer having been hit.


What context would you accept? Ingliz posted a photo of Heyer earlier.
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blackjack21 wrote:The US spent 4 years fighting Nazis, and about 70 years fighting communism. Communists were there too. Apparently, a Nazi sympathizer killed a communist sympathizer. Understandably, that's a bad day for socialism.


What Socialism? International Globalist Socialism or National Socialism?

I think that USA was hijacked during WWI, after the creation of the Federal Reserve the American presidents had to promote the globalist agenda.

That is the reason why the war against the anti-globalists, like NS-Germany, was fought together with the Commies, with Uncle Joe, who was an ally of the USA.

Uncle Joe was fighting the war against the Third Reich, not the USA.
I talked to many Russian veterans, they respected German soldiers, but they despised the American "cowards". And Russians were fighting because Stalin had to abandon Communism, he revived Russian Nationalism, because Russians were not ready to die for the ideals of Communism, they fought for Mother Russia.

The American fight against Communism was ineffektive, because Commies were globalists. Stalin abandoned the globalist agenda during WWII, he revived Russian Nationalism, and that was the reason for the Cold War. So the Cold War was not a fight of USA against the Commies, it was a fight of American globalist elite against the Nationalists in Russia, who were Commies "in name only".

The real globalist Commies subverted the USA even before they sent Trotzki and his fellow-Bolsheviks to Russia, therefor Communism ist still alive and kicking, it is still an instrument of Globalists, and therefore it is "kosher" to display the Commie-Symbolic and call himself a Commie.

If the pro-Commie establishment labels you a "Nazi", then you are finished.
If you yourself openly declare that you are a Commie, no problem with that, though Commies caused National Socialism and killed millions and millions civilians before right wing totalitarian regimes were established in Italy and Germany.

blackjack21 wrote:Why do you think they are FBI and not CIA?

They may have been Mossad agents as well, who knows.

In any case, Trump does not control the situation, the "deep state" (also called ZOG) seems to be invincible.

It is obvious that Trump has to support the agenda of Globalists, otherwise he will be called a "New Hitler", a "KKK", or a "Puppet of Putin/Russia".

His decision regarding Afghanistan speaks volumes!
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Lexington wrote:No, you're not. You hate Jews and you just can't say it here.

I'm not sure what you mean by "No, you're not." It doesn't follow from what I said.

As for Jews, I am not a Jew. I have stated previously that I do not like politically left-of-center, atheistic Jews. However, I do not have any problems with middle-of-the-road or conservative Jews, and count some as friends. In fact, I've invested $10k in one of my Jewish friend's business. So your weird conclusions are without merit.

I bring up the ethnicity of the mayor (and the vice mayor who has ties to BLM and the New Black Panthers), because it illustrates their political motivations in withdrawing police protection from the alt-right in hopes that violent leftists will confront them.

The Immortal Goon wrote:Despite your ignorance of the word, "socialism," conservatives and the Nazis both had a big rally to unite. And you seem to be intent on swallowing and regurgitating Nazi horseshit. But here we go...

I am not a Nazi, because I'm not a socialist or a white supremacist. I just don't care that the Nazis hate communists and Jews. It's not my problem. Most conservatives are capitalists, believe in banking, fractional ownership, etc. So we're not exactly your typical left wing anti-Semites. That's why we support the State of Israel as well.

The Immortal Goon wrote:Of course. It was all a clever Jew conspiracy. How could someone possibly confuse you right-wingers with Nazis?

Kessler was an Obama/Occupy Wall Street guy. He's obviously not an actual white supremacist. He just plays one on TV. I didn't say it was all Jews. I said it was DNC + media, with some financing from George Soros, who is a Jew (and left of center).

The Immortal Goon wrote:History fail.

The fascists publicly and adamantly demanded Marxism had to be rooted out:

We weren't talking about Italian Fascists. We were talking about neo-Nazi types and Nazis themselves, which is the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei). They were definitely socialist--it's right there in the name. They just weren't internationalists. The major difference is that Hitler believed in a race-based state. These neo-Nazis are not purporting to be fascists, but rather a new National Socialist party. Instead of it being "German," it would be simply "white."

Adolf Hitler wrote:We National Socialists, who are fighting for a new philosophy of life must never take our stand on the famous 'basis of facts', and especially not on mistaken facts. If we did so, we should cease to be the protagonists of a new and great idea and would become slaves in the service of the fallacy which is dominant today. We must make a clear-cut distinction between the vessel and its contents. The State is only the vessel and the race is what it contains. The vessel can have a meaning only if it preserves and safeguards the contents. Otherwise it is worthless.
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We National Socialists know that in holding these views we take up a revolutionary stand in the world of today and that we are branded as revolutionaries. But our views and our conduct will not be determined by the approbation or disapprobation of our contemporaries, but only by our duty to follow a truth which we have acknowledged. In doing this we have reason to believe that posterity will have a clearer insight, and will not only understand the work we are doing today, but will also ratify it as the right work and will exalt it accordingly.
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On these principles we National Socialists base our standards of value in appraising a State. This value will be relative when viewed from the particular standpoint of the individual nation, but it will be absolute when considered from the standpoint of humanity as a whole. In other words, this means:

The quality of a State can never be judged by the level of its culture or the degree of importance which the outside world attaches to its power, but that its excellence must be judged by the degree to which its institutions serve the racial stock which belongs to it.

Hitler also demanded that Marxists had to be rooted out.

Your own Hitler quote contains the phrase:

Only in those cases where the murderous lust of the Bolsheviks, even after the 30th of January, 1933, led them to think that by the use of brute force they could prevent the success and realization of the National Socialist ideal—only then did we answer violence with violence, and naturally we did it promptly...

Hitler wasn't opposed to socialist ideas, per se. He was opposed to internationalism, and thought that Marxism was to deliver humanity into enslavement to Jews. Hence, his concept of the folkish state.

The Immortal Goon wrote:Of course. It was all a clever Jew conspiracy. How could someone possibly confuse you right-wingers with Nazis?

Civic nationalism and capitalism are quite different from blood-and-soil nationalism and socialism.

The Immortal Goon wrote:Of course you do. Your buddies came to the same conclusion about the Jews running everything.

I don't think Soros runs everything. I think he finances these bullshit "events" in furtherance of his political aims. Obama, Clinton and Podesta aren't Jews.

The Immortal Goon wrote:Just as your friends always said, there's a Jew behind the facade pulling all the strings:

They are not my friends. However, it is clear the mayor is a Jew and so is Soros. The neo-Nazis are anti-Semitic. A former Obama supporter organized these guys to come to a Unite the Right rally, and then they pulled the protection of law enforcement from under them and had Antifa, BLM and IWW folks attack them. For some reason, you want me to defend the Nazis. I don't support any of these factions.

The Immortal Goon wrote:In short, by blaming everything on the international conspiracy of the cunning Jew, you sure are distancing yourselves from those Nazis! :lol:

I didn't say it was an international conspiracy. I said it was DNC + media dirty tricks. The Jewish mayor and the neo-Nazis provide a sharp contrast, where we are supposed to come and condemn the neo-Nazis and side with the Jewish mayor. However, the Jewish mayor tried to suppress the free speech of the neo-Nazis and withdrew police protection. That suggests a politically-motivated and hopelessly contrived event that ended someone's life. Obviously, I'm nonplussed by their dirty tricks. That you folks managed to get one of your own killed is something for you to reflect on.
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MB. wrote:What context would you accept?


I would accept a photo in the context of Heyer at the Charlottesville rally, not a selfie, glamour shot, or Tinder profile pic.

MB. wrote:Ingliz posted a photo of Heyer earlier.


I posted a photo of Heyer as well, but it just like Ingliz's photo I doubt ether one was an actual photo of Heyer at the rally.
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You know, the courts can subpoena camera evidence or place gag orders on the release of potential evidence. Most likely the murder videos have been confiscated by the cops. Heyer's Mom probably doesn't want this stuff floating around either.

Anyway CNN has already released the Ryan Kelly photos which are pretty damning.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlo ... index.html
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Good point ^ , but We have gotten use to individuals videoing everything on their phones and putting it on the internet. When that did not happen this time, people wonder why. Probably no one thought of it, but that has become the exception in our society.
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Does anyone have the full Ford Fischer tape? I can only find alleged parts of it on youtube, for example:


Shit's pretty wild.

I'm NOT asking about the 10,000 "Fischer=Zapruder" videos on youtube which suffer from MB.'s law.
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The Immortal Goon wrote:There must be some more credible reason why someone who (supposedly) was a Democrat would change political allegiance to the Republicans, who are basically the same party.

The Reason: The Trump of God.
HalleluYah
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US President Donald Trump has denounced white supremacists, neo-Nazis and the KKK as un-American and promised swift justice against those responsible for the death in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Speaking from the White House, President Donald Trump condemns KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists as "criminals and thugs," says "racism is evil." (Aug. 14)



Trump Disavowing David Duke and KKK from 1991 to 2016, Trump calls Duke "bigot" & "a problem"



Sheriff Clarke 'proud' of Trump's Charlottesville response

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The problem is that Trump's comments in the videos you linked were damage control following this press conference

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/ ... index.html



Trump then gave the 12pm White House statement you linked above, Hindsite, on August 14:



Trump then doubled down on the 15th here:





So the timeline is this:

August 12: Trump gives "many sides statement"

August 14: Trump rolls back in White House statement

August 15: Trump fights with media about his response.

The problem was clearly the August 12th speech and his bad management of this from a public relations standpoint.
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MB. wrote:The problem is that Trump's comments in the videos you linked were damage control following this press conference

So the timeline is this:

August 12: Trump gives "many sides statement"

August 14: Trump rolls back in White House statement

August 15: Trump fights with media about his response.

The problem was clearly the August 12th speech and his bad management of this from a public relations standpoint.

Well, as we all should know now is that the president was correct from the beginning and everyone else were wrong. There were bad actors on many sides, including the Antifa and the BLM. Democrat Nancy Pelosi also just condemned Antifa.

Nancy Pelosi condemns ANTIFA Paul Ryan still hasn't 'President Trump was so prophetic'



Nancy Pelosi Just Teamed Up With Trump To Do UNTHINKABLE To Antifa



Pelosi disavows antifa in major win for new media

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ingliz wrote:Yes.

Courtesy of the Daily Stormer:

Heather D. Heyer


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Was this the reason why the establishment went "full soviet", de facto abolished the First Amendment, and shut the website down?

The American "values" seem to be a joke, just a cheep decoration that is removed, when the interests of the unelected elite are at stake.

So why did they not show us the actual picture of a 32 years old fat woman, who tried to stop cars with her body?

Why did they show to the audience a picture of a young innocent girl?

Well, for the same reason, why they did not show the actual picture of Trayvon Martin.

They showed an old picture of a fragile kid, so anybody got the impression that he was absolutely innocent.

The lying media are very good at psychological manipulation.
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Right: Just because there was a movement we support that was called, "Unite the Right," that specifically sought to unite the mainstream right with Nazis, doesn't make us Nazis. You need to stop comparing us to Nazis.

Left: Surely then you'd repudiate the actions of the Nazis in killing someone though...

Right: IT WAS AN INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY OF DER JUDEN! DER JUDEN CONTROLS THE MEDIA, DER JUDEN CONTROLS THE BANKS; DER JUDEN CONTROLS THE COMMUNISTS THAT INFILTRATE OUR SOCIETY AND MAKES OUR PURE WHITE ARYAN CHILDREN SICK UPON RED BERLIN! WE MUST ROUND UP DER JUDEN AND THEIR ALLIES TO STOP THEIR PLOTS AGAINST THE MASTER RACE; SO THAT WE CAN KILL YOU AND CREATE A REICH THAT WILL LAST A THOUSAND YEARS!
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The Immortal Goon wrote:Right: Just because there was a movement we support that was called, "Unite the Right," that specifically sought to unite the mainstream right with Nazis, doesn't make us Nazis. You need to stop comparing us to Nazis.

Left: Surely then you'd repudiate the actions of the Nazis in killing someone though...

Right: IT WAS AN INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY OF DER JUDEN! DER JUDEN CONTROLS THE MEDIA, DER JUDEN CONTROLS THE BANKS; DER JUDEN CONTROLS THE COMMUNISTS THAT INFILTRATE OUR SOCIETY AND MAKES OUR PURE WHITE ARYAN CHILDREN SICK UPON RED BERLIN! WE MUST ROUND UP DER JUDEN AND THEIR ALLIES TO STOP THEIR PLOTS AGAINST THE MASTER RACE; SO THAT WE CAN KILL YOU AND CREATE A REICH THAT WILL LAST A THOUSAND YEARS!

You should have stopped while you were ahead because everyone can see right through this propaganda of blaming all evil on the Jews and the Christian Right. HalleluYah
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MB. wrote:Does anyone have the full Ford Fischer tape? I can only find alleged parts of it on youtube, for example:

I'm NOT asking about the 10,000 "Fischer=Zapruder" videos on youtube which suffer from MB.'s law.


This video above is definitely one to watch and it is not a Zapruder film nor is it the Ford Fischer video.

Also disregard that the title says Grassy Knoll. There is very little theorizing or speculation as it is just very high quality raw footage of the part of the rally about four minutes before the Ford Fisher video happens, along with a brief premise.



If you want to skip the long winded intro, jump to 8:32 minutes in, which is what I did, although I watched the intro afterword to hear his explanation of the video.

His premise is that the policemay have misrepresented about the nature of the crash in their investigation as they said in the police report that the maroon minivan slowed to stop at an intersection for protesters to cross the street.

Start the video at about 8:42 in and you can see that the maroon van is parked at the intersection and apparently parked there until the accident allegedly happened starting at around 13:15 in when everyone starts running back to that intersection.

Couple of observations: 1) You can hear the sound of a helicopter in parts of the video and you can even see some guy looking up to film it.

2) I was unable to find anyone that looked like Heather Heyer in this video. lot's of fat white women present for sure, but no Heyer. If there was any video of her that exists, this would be the closet one so maybe I continue to look. Plus the vantage point of the aftermath of the said crash would have put her right smack dab in the center of the chaos. It would be pretty hard not to have caught her on camera.

Also, unless I missed it, I could not hear an actual car crash in this video and with all of the buildings in that square, the sound of a crash would definitely been caught on camera. In fact, I was in my home one day and not just heard a car crash, and not only hear it but actually felt the reverberations and I was about 75 feet away from the street. Car crashes sound like explosions.

This video answers no questions and if this is a accurate assessment, which it appears to be, that it leads to a lot of new questions. Perhaps even some uncomfortable questions.

Obviously none of this is conclusive and my position hasn't changed one way or another, but the hoax staging angle is looking more like a possibility.
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Hindsite wrote:You should have stopped while you were ahead because everyone can see right through this propaganda of blaming all evil on the Jews and the Christian Right. HalleluYah


Oh, I'm not blaming anything on the Jews. I'm pointing out how the right (see Maz and blackjack especially) are making this all an international Jewish conspiracy theory—in short, accepting Nazi propaganda in order to fight against the idea that they're comparable to Nazis :lol:
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It is implausible that the IDF could not or would[…]

Moving on to the next misuse of language that sho[…]

@JohnRawls What if your assumption is wrong??? […]

There is no reason to have a state at all unless w[…]