I have argued that Kennedy was killed by Oswald time after time. But conspiracy theorists will just go on believing the x,y and z killed Kennedy because....

Often their entire case rests upon motive rather than actual evidence, such as here.

But why don't you do some research on the shooting.

Incidently, Dan Brown r0ckz0rz.

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Hear hear!

Maguis
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Israel admitted this after it was caught with its hands in the cookie jar.



Solid evidence pointing to Israeli involvement in the Kennedy assassination is not exactly abundant
, I’ll give you that. We’re simply discussing the possibility of Israeli involvement, that’s all. That’s why it’s been discussed way down here, in the cwwwwwwwwwazy conspiracy theories section.

Proves man. Facts e.t.c. - not newspaper articles or your opinion.



I don't say who killed JFK, I'm just say that there is NO proves that Oswald did it. Let's see who got motives for killing...

The Duke wrote:


I don't get it. How was it caught with it's hands in the cookie jar if the jets were unmarked? The BBC documentary does not explain it either. One minute, allegedly unmarked jets attack Liberty (the narrator says they're Israeli), the next the US Navy almost bombards Egypt with nuclear weapons (the admiral in the video denies it and to be frank, I never heard of that either). How and when it was determined that Israel was behind the attack (assuming the planes were unmarked) remains a mystery.

P.S. I watched both parts. If you want, I can tell you what I think about it (hint - you don't).

Proves? Do you mean proof? And I have used facts to substantiate my arguments, and made even more use of facts to prove others wrong.



Yes there is proof. What about the rifle, the bullets that matched the rifle, being in the book depository etc.



Hmmm how about OSWALD.

Rodion
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The first thing the Israelis targeted where the ship’s communication antennas. On top of this they began jamming the (specific US Navy) radio frequency, just to make sure no signals could be sent. Being under the impression that this ship was cut off from the world, the Israeli jets continued attacking it, somewhere along the line Israeli ships joined the battle and torpedoed the USS Liberty.

However, the inventive and highly trained USS Liberty crew managed to send out one SOS signal using a makeshift antenna. And this was how Israel was caught with its hands in the cookie jar.

The Duke, could you stop making ludicrous posts about how Israel is the source of all evil in America and the world? It's really getting old. Why is it that you hate them so much to the point that you have to formulate intricate lies - you seem to spend a good portion of your life doing it?

Link please.



This 'proof' proves only thing that Oswald was there - nothing more.
Investigation was commited with strange events and without public control. So there is no proof.



And motive? Because he hated JFK? or capitalism? Ludicrous.
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The Duke wrote:


Actually, the international distress frequency was being jammed. The documentary tells of how the Liberty crew climbed the antennas under fire, but doesn't specify what frequency was used to send out the SOS signal.
Also, how did the crew know who was attacking them?

P.S. I still don't understand what motive could Israel possibly have to attack an American vessel.

I mean, if it was just for being a spy ship (which is in itself disputable), the US was Israel's ally, so what if they were spying around? It wasn't worth the risk of attacking them.

If it was to frame Egypt, the documentary states it would work had Liberty been sank. Why wasn't it sank? There was no hurry.

Oswalds prints were on the rifle that fired the bullets that killed Kennedy. They were matched by ballistics tests. Oswald was also pictured with said rifle.



Because he wanted media attention. Because he wanted to return to eirther the USSR or Cuba and thought killing Kennedy was the way to do it. Quite simply because....



It was carried out under Earl Warren, the chief justice. That is how important the investigation was. And I don't think any gov would carry out a public enquiry into how a President was assassinated.

However the findings were published.



No, you can go searching.

Rodion
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O please....well ghee I dunno man, what possible motive could they have had??

I dont see what the debate over the USS Liberty is...

The Americans sent a military spy vessel into waters in a warzone, not only a warzone but a warzone involving their allies.

The IAF had standing orders to attack any unidentified vessels at will.
The ship after a failure of communications with American authorities moved within 14 miles off of the Sinia Coast the focal point of the war where a few hours earlier a massive supply dump had exploded.

The ship entered a zone rarely used by commerical ships along the Port Said-Gaza route.

At 5:55 a.m. on June 8, Cmdr. Uri Meretz, a naval observer aboard an Israel Air Force (IAF) reconnaissance plane, noted what he believed to be an American supply vessel, designated GTR-5, seventy miles west of the Gaza coast.

At Israeli naval headquarters in Haifa, staff officers fixed the location of the ship with a red marker, indicating "unidentified," on their control board. Research in Jane's Fighting Ships, however, established the vessel's identity as "the electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the United States, the Liberty."

The marker was changed to green, for "neutral." Another sighting of the ship - "gray, bulky, with its bridge amidships" - was made by an Israeli fighter aircraft at 9:00 a.m., twenty miles north of El-Arish, on the Sinai coast, which had fallen to Israeli forces the day before.

Neither of these reports made mention of the 5-by-8-foot American flag which, according to the ship's crewmen, was flying from the Liberty's starboard halyard.

The crew asserts 6 Israeli aircraft flew over the ship, which is not recorded but may in fact have been true. However the planes were searching for Egyption Submarines the biggest threat to the navy at the moment, and were not looking for the surface ships. They probably moving at 2,000+mph at several thousand feet simply bypassed the ship without noting it.

At 11:24 the El Arish ammo dump exploded, convinced that we were being bombarded by sea, which Egypt was quick to confirm. Reports of Naval Bombardment continued to reach high command and the order to sink any unidentified ship was reissued.

The Liberty after the explosion turned back in the direction of Port Said

At around 1:40 three torpedo boats under the command of Ensign Aharon Yifrah, sighted an unidentified vessel moving at a speed of 30 knots towards Port Said, the times recalculated twice meant that it could not be the American vessel sighted earlier that day. Any vessel moving at over 20 knots was to be attacked. Beleiving that the ship would escape them he asked the IAF to intervene.

Two mirages made passes at 3,000 feet and reported "gray with two guns in the forecastle, a mast and funnel." They could see no flag and radioed back to high command.

IAF Intelligence Chief Col. Yeshayahu Bareket also claimed to have contacted American Naval Attaché Castle at this point in an attempt to ascertain whether the suspect ship was the Liberty, but the latter professed no knowledge of the Liberty's schedule - a claim later denied by Castle but, strangely, confirmed by McGonagle.

One fact is clear, however: After two low sweeps by the lead plane, at 1:58 p.m., the Mirages were cleared to attack.

After the first attack runs an Israeli Pilot made another swoop and said, "I see no flag, but their are markings on the hull."

Rabin called off the attack and dispatched two IAF rescue helicopters to look for survivors, operating under the assumption that the ship was egyption.

All attempts to engage were postponed as the Torpedo Boats at last came in range. Asked to ask the identity of the vessel they flashed the signal. The ship damaged could only respond in kind. A tactic used by the Egyptian Navy to effect in the 1956 war. Consulting his naval intelligence manual, he concluded that the vessel in front of him - its deck line, midship bridge and smokestack - resembled the Egyptian freighter El-Quseir.

Their doubts were dispelled as they came under fire from the ship. We promptly engaged and opened fire on the ship. Still no flag was spotted.

Israeli Helicopters attempted to fly Castle to the ship, but were denied permission to land.

The ship limped out to say with dead and wounded on board.

Within 24 hours the Israeli Government offered to compensate the victims and their famalies.

I see no debate here. It was blatant example of tragic friendly fire.

More than a dozen investigations have been launched all conclude the same thing. Their is also never been any reason given why we would bomb an American Ship, and what we would hope to gain out of it.

Who's 'commited' this tests? - same people who cunducted investigation.
And i'm not surprised why all tests proves that Oswald is killer.



When you invent this bullshit - yesterday?




It's smells like dictatorship... or conspiracy.



Kennedi was most loved preisdent since perhaps J.W. I dont see why gov can't carry investigation with a public control.



LOL, and findings of Iraq nuclear weapons were published too. Where it's now?



This is exactly what I'm talking about. If you just don't have any proofs(because there is NO proofs) then say it.

It is called the Warren Report.



Not know about Oswald visiting emassies in Mexico city? I didn't invent it. It's fairly well known by those who have looked at the assassination.



Me neither because Oswald was the killer. Obviously the police and FBI carried out the investigation.



Well then it is the biggest conspiracy since, well ever.



JW?

And Kennedy won by a very narrow margin and many believe the mob assisted in helping Kennedy rig the eletion.

They were popular in some respects.

Superskippy
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Location: Quirat Gat (Israel).

Of course you don't. It doesn't matter though.

I read it - little proven facts there, and MANY questions.



And? I failed to see the POINT.


No, not because of it.



Again no - biggest was in GRE in 1917.

J.W. - J. Washington.



Stop wathing tv and go speak with fellow americans ~60-70 years old.

You mean George Washington?



IE those who were in their 20s when Kennedy was President? They don't represent the entire electorate. Kennedys foreign policy was weak, New Frontier wasnt that successful etc. The only thing going for him was that he was stylish. He appealed to the younger generations.



Do you know why a person would visit an embassy? TO try and move thre. Oswald visited the Cuban and USSR embassies.



Which have been answered in subsequent investigations.

Yes... my english grammar... well it's really bad.




I'm not talking about electorat(of course you can try to find people 80-90 years old - you can try.) I'm talking about how they feeling about their president - that's mean love, not popularity.





I failed to see where is MOTIVE FOR KILLING PRESIDENT of US here.



NO, most of questions were NOT answered even today.

Such as?



He wanted to move to Cuba or the USSR, he may well have figured killing Kennedy was a way to get in.

Furthermore, he wanted attention. He was a lone nut. Such people don't need much of a motive.



If they had loved him then they would have voted for him. Not everyone liked Kennedy. In fact, many despised him.