[Piano Red]

The American Lion

Obviously, we need to loosen gun laws to prevent murders like this from happening.

Oh, wait.

Non-sequitur fail.

Zagadka

Sites like the Drudge Report is already promoting these news as examples to kill off the movement.

Seems to be working. Even if the movement itself is doing a great job on it's lonesome in that department.

[Oxymoron]

Sites like the Drudge Report is already promoting these news as examples to kill off the movement.

Again I ask what is wrong with the Drudge report?

[Holt]

Donald gets it.

[Far-Right Sage]

Beginning of the end of this thread.

It's interesting that silence is the only weapon the liberal establishment has in the face of skyrocketing minority crime.

It's now a society where even statistics can be "racist". When you live in a world in which people cover their ears and scream "lalala" when you present them the facts, how can there ever be positive change? The West has sunk to new levels of immaturity and self-destruction on these matters.

Anyway, I say execute the motherfucker, although this has no bearing on my opinion of the protest movement.

[Rei Murasame]

It's now a society where even statistics can be "racist". When you live in a world in which people cover their ears and scream "lalala" when you present them the facts, how can there ever be positive change? The West has sunk to new levels of immaturity and self-destruction on these matters.

Hear hear!

It's all part of the ongoing cowardice where no one wants to actually draw the line anywhere, since drawing lines carries risk, and 'the west' - now being liberalism incarnate - has decided to eliminate risks by simply never doing anything and never setting any agendas.

It's the thing that liberals are infamous for: "just muddle through". But eventually all the missed opportunities resolve simultaneously into a catastrophe of truly epic proportions.

A wise man once said, "Inactivity is Death", and he was right.

[Donna]

SO's caliber wit aside, Mussolini was not a wise man.

[The American Lion]

Piano Red;

I think you got us backwards? I had the drudge quote. :P

Again I ask what is wrong with the Drudge report?

Matt Drudge always has a right wing side to all his reports like Fox News. He uses spin and lies on his reports. Like the Obama's Christmas tree tax.

examples:
http://gawker.com/5857770/right+wing-cl ... xaggerated
http://gawker.com/5849927/matt-drudge-p ... estruction
http://gawker.com/5841184/today-in-prof ... -headlines
http://gawker.com/5840041/drudge-calls- ... f-the-jews
http://gawker.com/5649977/this-photo-pr ... att-drudge

[hip hop bunny hop]

And of course the Liberals will blame the white man.

Yes, and the liberals apparently don't get the irony. A white woman goes to a protest to advocate flushing more money down the ghetto toilet, and gets raped by a black for her efforts. While a tragedy, and I really do feel bad for this woman, this is a perfect summary of race relations in this country. Look at what Repeat to Fade wrote, "Find a similar stat for impoverished areas and their inhabitants." - lunacy, pure lunacy.

[J Oswald]

Matt Drudge always has a right wing side to all his reports like Fox News. He uses spin and lies on his reports. Like the Obama's Christmas tree tax.

examples:
http://gawker.com/5857770/right+wing-cl ... xaggerated
http://gawker.com/5849927/matt-drudge-p ... estruction
http://gawker.com/5841184/today-in-prof ... -headlines
http://gawker.com/5840041/drudge-calls- ... f-the-jews
http://gawker.com/5649977/this-photo-pr ... att-drudge

Gawker articles are slanted towards the Left, and also are guilty of spinning the news to suit their own interests . Do you have any examples of Drudge's "spin and lies" (which I have no doubt exist) from a newsgroup that isn't overtly biased enough to use MediaMatters as a source for their material?

[junebug]

It's now a society where even statistics can be "racist". When you live in a world in which people cover their ears and scream "lalala" when you present them the facts, how can there ever be positive change? The West has sunk to new levels of immaturity and self-destruction on these matters.

anyone can use statistics to get any message they want across..
by the way that statistic from bunny was a lie....so I did some homework...all from the FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... tbl43a.xls

15,503 total rapes: white rapes: 10,178 Black rapes: 4,925

for example...
Rate of child abuse by race:
White = 51%

Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been White, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

just 3 examples...if I was a racist reactionary, I would say dayum and why the hell aren't we enforcing eugenics or something....
but I am not...and all I can tell you is that the truth is that media reporting of race and rape in this country sucks. Also, I can also say, yeah IF he raped those women shoot his ass....
Can I say that as a race black people can improve? YES without batting an eyelash...but I can say the same of EVERY race....see the difference?

just like that old pig sandusky shoot him....

edited to add, I did find that link that bunny gets his stats from though....all I can tell you is wow...

[Donna]

White people are indeed notorious for their child molesting.

[hip hop bunny hop]

for example...
Rate of child abuse by race:
White = 51%

Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been White, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

White people make up 72% of the population of the USA. For these statistics to prove that Whites have a higher propensity towards, say, paedophilia, they would be over-represented in this group. An example of this over-representation would be, say, when a group that makes up 12% of the USA (Blacks) are, according to your figure, 36% of convicted rapists. Whereas Whites, despite having 72% of the population, only make up 50% of convicted racists (again, using your numbers) - meaning Whites are less likely to be rapists.

edited to add, I did find that link that bunny gets his stats from though....all I can tell you is wow...

Well, at least you read the OP at some point.

[Tainari88]

I don't care what race, color, creed, age, religion etc. a rapist is. I think they got to be put away right away.

End of story.

[Goldberk]

meaning Whites are less likely to be rapists.

That would only be true if you could prove that skin colour was the causative factor. The statistics do not show that.

[junebug]

White people make up 72% of the population of the USA. For these statistics to prove that Whites have a higher propensity towards, say, paedophilia, they would be over-represented in this group. An example of this over-representation would be, say, when a group that makes up 12% of the USA (Blacks) are, according to your figure, 36% of convicted rapists. Whereas Whites, despite having 72% of the population, only make up 50% of convicted racists (again, using your numbers) - meaning Whites are less likely to be rapists.

using my numbers? looks to me like again you are deflating white percentages and inflating those of african americans cause those are not my no's. It's 65% of rapes vs. 31% of rapes from the fbi not ME. I understand why you would do that though, I mean you lied about the statistics in the first place....so I could expect no better from someone like yourself.

I won't be answering you regarding this but I made my point....you lied....period. furthermore....your trying to characterise a population of 40,000,000+ people in the united states by all of 4,300 rapes total last year? wow

[Takkon]

I won't be answering you regarding this but I made my point....you lied....period. furthermore....your trying to characterise a population of 40,000,000+ people in the united states by all of 4,300 rapes total last year? wow

This is really the crux of it in my opinion. If you want to base your hatred of blacks on violent criminality, good luck. Like it or not violent felons will always only make up a tiny portion of any population, so using that as the basis for your hatred is liking saying you hate humanity because of autistics.

[Nets]

That would only be true if you could prove that skin colour was the causative factor. The statistics do not show that.

No. If (R, B) is a random vector where R and B are indicator variables, and in the data, Average[R | B = 1] > Average[R | B = 0], it is perfectly fine to infer that R=1 is more likely given B=1. The underlying casual structure is irrelevant.

I agree with you, the data doesn't say "Blacks are more likely to rape because they are Black". It does say that "Blacks are more likely to rape", no denying this.

[Headache]

I'd be willing to bet that there would be a stronger correlation between low income and crime.

[Nets]

Controlling for income, do the different rates of rape between races disappear in the data? I don't know.

[Headache]

I tried to look for data but couldn't find any with regards to income. Then again, researching stuff has never been a strong point for me.