Takkon, I don't know what to say now.
On one hand, you call fascists out for referring to bad statistics despite the fact that the studies being referred to are methodically rigorous.
On the other hand, you call libertarians out for being "irrational" moralists.
Still, you oppose psychology despite engaging in classic projective identification in saying, "what I think would work for these reasons that can be verified and discussed" as if society should be compelled to comply with what you think would work.
Of course, you could make an appeal to popularity, but that's just might makes right anyway
, so still, you haven't distinguished yourself from fascists either.
As for proper fascists being morally grounded, the only way that can be understood is if you're talking about moral relativism/nihilism. Might makes right doesn't need morality to exist. Still, yes, fascists will use morality as propaganda a la national mythology in identifying people with the land. The State is merely an organization mechanism used to enforce the bond between people and nature rather than allowing people to get distracted by grandiose idealism.
What exactly are you trying to argue?