[joeylyrics]

I come from an old Italian upbringing to where before I was able to walk or talk I was taught respect. Didn't take me long to determine the difference between right and wrong for I was showed it in ways that would be highly illegal today.
I am so greatful and fortunate to have had a loving father who cared enough about me to throw me through a wall or crack me upside my head everytime I was dumb enough to do something extremely stupid.
A swollen lip and a black eye that I certainly DESERVED always made me think twice about doing something that I know I shouldn't even when I really wanted to.
Parents should teach their children from an early age that a death penalty certainly does exist (even if it really doesn't) and that the 2x4 hanging in the garage with their name on it should be the constant reminder of what line not to cross.
When a parent becomes afraid to reprimand their child because the law prohibits it... it ONLY teaches them that their kids now have the upper hand in their household.
What messages are we sending the youth of today by showing them there's no consequences for their overly bad behavior?
How far will these kids be willing to go when they know that they won't even be getting a slap on their little wrist no matter what it was they've done wrong?
What will they grow up to be if we easily let them get away with just about everything and anything?
Wait... let me guess...
Lyin' Lawyers and Back Stabbin' Politicians.
Ahh... that explains why the world is full of them.

As far as the abortion issue is concerned...
If people who tell other people they need to have their baby...
Then THESE people need to FULLY pay for those other people's child's expenses OR just mind their own damn business and keep their big, hypocritical mouths shut all together. By the way... isn't the world already overpopulated enough as it is?

[Daktoria]

Some children are nice, kind, sweet, and understanding.

These children need to be protected from being hit because their parents don't care.

If anything, society should administer a psychological exam before letting children become parents.

Before, this was done religiously through rites of passage.

Since progressivism took off, this hasn't been substituted by anything, and vast amounts of child abuse have taken place. You see the same negligence in schoolyard brawls as well.

Manifest Destiny also contributed a lot because socially alienated adults with poor grasps on social customs had pioneer families.

[joeylyrics]

Some children are nice, kind, sweet, and understanding.

These children need to be protected from being hit because their parents don't care.

If anything, society should administer a psychological exam before letting children become parents.

Before, this was done religiously through rites of passage.

Since progressivism took off, this hasn't been substituted by anything, and vast amounts of child abuse have taken place. You see the same negligence in schoolyard brawls as well.

Manifest Destiny also contributed a lot because socially alienated adults with poor grasps on social customs had pioneer families.

Daktoria...

Spoken like a true gentleman.
A law should be considered to prevent unfit parents from having and/or raising a child/children when they clearly can't even support/take care of themselves.
This should Also include that a woman can no-longer have 15 kids from 10 different daddy's just to collect free government benefits and handouts.
Laziness and crookedness is never a good habit for a child to learn.



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[dgun]

Do you have kids yet joeylyrics?

All children are different. Different methods of discipline work better with different kids.

If your dad gave you a fat lip or a black eye, his ass should have been thrown in jail. No need for that shit and shame on you for glorifying it.

There is a difference between spanking a child and abuse. Corporal punishment breaks down at such a point that you do the kind of harm your father did to you. If it required giving you a black eye to get your attention, he should have taken away your car or taken away all your free time or some other mode of discipline.

My dad beat my ass many times. But he never busted my lip or gave me a black eye.

I spank my kids, but I would never hurt them like that.

Unfortunately, I once worked as an investigator of child abuse and neglect. Did it for a couple of years and hated it. You can take it from me that there is no lack of parents who beat the hell out of their kids. And guess what? Those kids don’t grow up to be any better citizens than otherwise. In fact, from what I’ve seen, the opposite is the case.

[joeylyrics]

Dgun...

My father wasn't a child abuser by any means.
He never went out of his way to scold us unless we truely deserved it.
Respect was a HUGE thing amongst our household and so was NOT disgracing the family name.
I was raised to keep my nose clean and my judgment sharp.
If a black eye and a bloody nose or even half of a swollen face kept me alive and out of prison... then my father had done one hell of a job. (Which He Certainly Did).
I am now reaching my middle 40's.
When I went to high school... the teachers were also allowed to forcefully take you down and smack you around if needed be.
I don't know how old you truely are or what country you're from... but America's policies are a lot different now then what they were over 25 years ago.
Our country is becoming more and more lenient each day to where those who enjoy doing wrong by wrongdoing others have more rights than the righteous guy who lives to be honest.
Anyone who was raised the way I was in a time when it was completely normal to be physically punished for your tasteless actions will also agree that it IS and always will be the BEST method with the highest percentage rate of success.
Ever since the politicians realized that crime creates revenue and more government jobs... smacking some sense back into your "out of control kid" wasn't really allowed anymore.
They too know the children are our future.
Corrupting them now ensures them of a comfortable life for tomorrow. No wonder why they also want
to put a stop to abortion. They don't want to miss out on even one little stinkin' dime.

[SecretSquirrel]

Once when I was a small child my mother hit me on the head very hard with one of my textbooks for doing something bad. I have never forgotten and never will, even though its been decades.

[Rancid]

It all depends on the kid really. Hurting a kid physically may or may not work as a method to teach them right from wrong. That said, I'm not so sure you really need to go as far as giving your kid a fucking black eye to teach them a lesson.

[Pants-of-dog]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 111109.htm

Children in a school that uses corporal punishment performed significantly worse in tasks involving "executive functioning" -- psychological processes such as planning, abstract thinking, and delaying gratification -- than those in a school relying on milder disciplinary measures such as time-outs, according to a new study involving two private schools in a West African country.

And this is corroborated by other studies:

http://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-ou ... 4-127.html

Long considered an effective, and even necessary, means of socialising children, physical punishment has been revealed to be a predictor of a wide range of negative developmental outcomes. The extent of agreement in the research literature on this issue is unusual in the social sciences. Physical punishment is associated with increased child aggression, antisocial behaviour, lower intellectual achievement, poorer quality of parent–child relationships, mental health problems (such as depression), and diminished moral internalisation. The evidence about whether physical punishment results in short-term compliance is mixed, with some studies showing effectiveness in achieving this and others not. Short-term compliance can, however, be achieved as effectively without using physical punishment. Physical punishment has negative effects on child outcomes, especially if it is harsh, regardless of culture. When punishment use is normative in a culture, the effects are slightly less negative. Research findings support ongoing efforts to help parents use more positive methods of parenting, and the removal of a defence in law for the use of physical punishment against children.

There is little doubt that continued use of corporal punishment is more harmful than beneficial.

[Rancid]

Lies.

[Plaro]

If a black eye and a bloody nose or even half of a swollen face kept me alive and out of prison... then my father had done one hell of a job. (Which He Certainly Did).

Prison? Did he think you were destined to end up in prison or something and he must physically punish you so you can avoid that?

[Rei Murasame]

All of this is why corporal punishment should remain banned. Because this is basically what happens, you end up with people who have been abused as children, defending their abusers.

As I said before in the other thread where Joeylyrics brought this up: Any parent that has to punch their own child's face in, in order to gain compliance, has already failed as a parent.

[Rancid]

I totally agree that you shouldn't hit your kids. However, there are kids that are simply uncontrollable through means that aren't physical. They're just fucking stupid kids, what do you do about those? I say we kill them.

[Rei Murasame]

Well, I have to wonder how children are allowed to get to that point of being 'uncontrollable' in the first place, to me it seems pretty easy to get a child to obey a parent most of the time.

[Rancid]

I wouldn't know what happens before that point either.

For the record, I've started using a cheese grater to cut my boy's face. You know, to give him something to cry about.

[Rei Murasame]

Joeylyrics would probably say, "it's to keep him out of prison, perfectly reasonable!"

[Sceptic]

Because this is basically what happens, you end up with people who have been abused as children, defending their abusers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Also, like others have said, kids who are taught values rather than having values beaten into them tend to become more civilised adults.

Teach a child violence, and they will learn violence, simple.

[joeylyrics]

Once when I was a small child my mother hit me on the head very hard with one of my textbooks for doing something bad. I have never forgotten and never will, even though its been decades.

SecretSquirrel...

Did that swollen head help you to open you eyes?
Did it make you quickly come to realize that what you did was wrong enough to get yourself that swollen head in the first place?
Since you claim you had never forgotten the incident... I can only assume you had long learned your lesson.
I guess that painful head didn't feel good enough for it to be smashed again.

[joeylyrics]

It all depends on the kid really. Hurting a kid physically may or may not work as a method to teach them right from wrong. That said, I'm not so sure you really need to go as far as giving your kid a fucking black eye to teach them a lesson.

Rancid...


I must admit... I wasn't the best kid myself after getting myself mixed up with the wrong crowd.
I've done my share to learn my many lessons.
I'm glad I found out what the hard way was when I was younger as it kept me from seeking trouble when I got older.
Mighty good reverse psychology if you ask me.
Different tactics work better in different parts of the world as well as in different housholds.
His worked mighty well in ours.

[joeylyrics]

Rei...


Let's get something totally straight right here and right now... A back hand to the side of the head is NOT the same as a punch in the face.
Only having this happen to me "once in a while" on behalf of my own stupidity was HARDLY on a frequent basis.
My father never attacked me or seriously injured me to where I needed medical attention.
If that would have been the case... then I would certainly see your point and agree with you.
For every time my father did raise his hands to me... I DESERVED IT.
And if I was dumb enough to not learn my lesson the first time and continued to go against my father's rules and wishes in his own house... then YES... I deserved it twice as hard the next time which then included the black eye or fat lip.
My father NEVER enjoyed hitting me or even yelling at me... but in order to teach me my much needed common sense at the time in my life when I WAS a young and stupid PUNK ass kid... he came to my rescue.
If he HADN'T done what he did and would've rather stayed home and smoked crack or get drunk all day long to where he DIDN'T CARE AT ALL about where I was at and what I was doing with my adolescent life... then I'd either be DEAD or in PRISON.

[Rei Murasame]

What sort of 'rules and wishes' were you going against? Give me something specific. The reason I ask this is because I have my doubts about whether what you were doing was anything that could have ever landed you in prison.

Also, explain what you mean by 'the wrong crowd'.