[anarchist23]

If and when the race riots occur in the cities and towns up and down the USA the police will be protecting property. Let you guess whose property they will be protecting.

[Cartertonian]

Another thoughtful and considered response from anarchist23.

[anarchist23]

Sorry but I had not finished this post and was about to edit this post.I have experienced police coercion with the threat of violence and physically assaulted when I was younger.

[Cartertonian]

This is a discussion forum, anarchist23. I would be quite within my rights in my own 'policing' role to delete your previous post. On-topic discussion areas require active discussion, not spamming with propagandist images. I assume, given your age and experience, that your views are founded on some considered and refined ideological position? This forum is your opportunity to expound those views and further develop and refine your argument. Ignoring salient points and picture-spamming does nothing to advance the discussion or enhance your credibility. Are you actually able to step beyond your 'all coppers are bastards' mantra and actually engage with the discussion?

[Godstud]

Well it seems some people think the police can do no wrong. They think that they are above the law. But many are basically criminals in Police uniforms.

Rubbish! I, as well as most other sane, reasonable people, understand that there will always be some, even police, who break the laws, and/or use them to suit their own ends, whatever they may be. It's a MINORITY, however.

Americans who BREAK THE LAW are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist. Most of those killed by police are armed and dangerous, too. Nice meme, though. Terribly inaccurate, mind you.

You still haven't responded to my request for statistics on how many people killed by police, were armed. I'm waiting. Try debating instead of spamming pics.

[anarchist23]

As a teenager I was taken by three detectives from a police cell bundled handcuffed into a police car. Driven to an isolated wood and threatened with violence. Another time I was slapped around the head cause I was being a smart arse. Only five or so years ago I was threatened by a detective. But this time I had a had a hidden camera and the detective had to leave the force.
Any questions?


NGOs urge US to implement recommendations of UN anti-discrimination body

A diverse network of 100 US civil society actors travelled to Geneva to attend the review of their country by the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) and meet with UN Deputy High Commissioner for Human Rights.

A woman holds a 'Stop Racism Now' sign at a rally, New York City, September 2004 © EPA/PETER FOLEYThey highlighted the need for more advocacy to develop effective national systems for the coordination and the implementation of recommendations that emerge from UN human rights mechanisms, including CERD, which monitors State compliance with the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms Racial Discrimination that the United States ratified 20 years ago.

The UN Deputy High Commissioner for Human Rights, Flavia Pansieri, stressed the importance for the UN Human Rights Office of working with civil society in all countries. She noted the need for the United States to ratify human rights treaties and to create appropriate national structures to coordinate and facilitate their implementation.

“Structures for the implementation of human rights recommendations at the national level should also include a local human rights authority”, she added. “Firstly, because it is a sign of a healthy society, but also because the burden of implementation is then shared.”

Ron Davis, Chef Executive Officer of the Jordan Davis Foundation, raised the issue of gun violence and the “Stand your Ground” laws that are applied in 23 states. He stressed the need for a federal policy against gun violence and for an end to gun sales.

The Foundation was created in honour of his son, Jordan, an African American, who was fatally shot by a white man in 2012. The 17-year-old student was listening to music with friends in a car parked near a gas station when the man asked them to turn down the volume. When the teenagers refused to comply, he fired several shots at the vehicle, injuring three of its occupants and killing Jordan Davis.

Statistics provided by the US Human Rights Network show that African American and Hispanic men and women are disproportionally affected by the way criminal law and policy are implemented. The NGOs highlighted that two million children belonging to racial and ethnic minorities in the United States have one parent in prison. Participants in the meeting stressed that such racial and ethnic bias was unsustainable, and that the country should adopt a comprehensive action plan to fight discrimination at the federal, state and local levels.

The issue of the current surge in children migrants coming from Central America to the United States to flee violence in their countries was also raised and some participants stressed that the response of the United States Congress could set international legal precedents for the way the world deals with migrants and refugees.

“We need to help the US delegation [participating in the review by the Committee] understand that the actions they take against Central American children have international implications,” said Naureen Shah of the American Civil Worker’s Union. “Whatever policies the US adopts in relation to migrant workers and children will set the tone for other countries’ conduct elsewhere around the world.”

Voting rights organizations expressed concerns about the impediment to peoples’ right to cast their ballots. They referred to a complex identification mechanism that dissuades individuals from participating in elections, and to laws that limit the ability to register voters because of their past criminal records.

Figures of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People show that 4.4 million people who had previously been involved in the criminal justice system cannot vote. The African American adult population is four times more disenfranchised than the rest; Hispanic men are also disproportionately affected.

Representatives of organizations of indigenous peoples echoed the views expressed by the other participants in the meeting. They also recommended that the United States create a Truth and Reconciliation Committee for indigenous peoples, and asked for recognition and financial support for tribal schools.

Discriminatory practices and sexual violence against indigenous women were other areas that they wished were given more attention and a better response. They also noted that there was a lack of standardized health services to victims of sexual violence.

“The US is extremely advanced politically and economically, but it has also significant human rights challenges,” she said.

The review of the combined seventh to ninth report of the United States on its implementation of the provisions of the anti-racial discrimination Convention took place on 14 August. A Summary of the discussion between the United States’ delegation and members of CERD is available.

- See more at: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Page ... VmXIX.dpuf

[Rei Murasame]

That camouflage looks like the colours used for somewhere that is not a city, which only further bolsters Mike's point that they are using military surplus and that there is no nefarious plot to engage in urban city combat in a civil war.

[anarchist23]

^
Time will tell

2014
UN report.

Wade Henderson
President and CEO
The Leadership Conference Education Fund
The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights
I am pleased to submit this report prepared by The Leadership Conference Education Fund and The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. The Leadership Conference is a coalition charged by its diverse member- ship to promote and protect the civil and human rights of all persons in the United States. The Leadership Confer- ence’s more than 200 national organizations represent persons of color, women, children, organized labor, persons with disabilities, the elderly, the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community, and major religious groups. Since its inception, The Leadership Conference has worked to ensure that all persons in the United States are afforded civil and human rights protections under the U.S. Constitution and in accordance with international human rights norms. The Leadership Conference Education Fund serves as the education and research arm of The Leader- ship Conference, building public will for federal policies that promote and protect the civil and human rights of all persons in the United States.
Sixty years after Brown v. Board of Education, 50 years after the Civil Rights Act, and 20 years after the ratification of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), America’s track record of creating opportunities for people of color and ending racial discrimination is decidedly mixed. On nearly every indicator that we use in the United States to measure progress, people of color are falling further behind. And it starts early.
Wade Henderson
President and CEO
The Leadership Conference Education Fund
The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights
I am pleased to submit this report prepared by The Leadership Conference Education Fund and The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. The Leadership Conference is a coalition charged by its diverse member- ship to promote and protect the civil and human rights of all persons in the United States. The Leadership Confer- ence’s more than 200 national organizations represent persons of color, women, children, organized labor, persons with disabilities, the elderly, the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community, and major religious groups. Since its inception, The Leadership Conference has worked to ensure that all persons in the United States are afforded civil and human rights protections under the U.S. Constitution and in accordance with international human rights norms. The Leadership Conference Education Fund serves as the education and research arm of The Leader- ship Conference, building public will for federal policies that promote and protect the civil and human rights of all persons in the United States.
Sixty years after Brown v. Board of Education, 50 years after the Civil Rights Act, and 20 years after the ratification of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), America’s track record of creating opportunities for people of color and ending racial discrimination is decidedly mixed. On nearly every indicator that we use in the United States to measure progress, people of color are falling further behind. And it starts early.
A recent report by the Annie E. Casey Foundation, “Race for Results,” looked at how we are providing opportunities for children of color along 12 indicators, such as percentage of children enrolled in preschool, percentage of 4th grad- ers proficient in reading, and percentage of children who live in low-poverty areas. The report found that African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos and some Asian American communities like the Vietnamese, Pakistani, and Hmong communities are falling behind White children. Even middle-class families of color have a very tenuous hold on their economic status.
The data aren’t just revealing—they are a call to action. What the data tell us is that, as we learn from the past, we will need to fight for the future. Using international human rights norms and treaties to advocate for domestic civil and human rights can help identify gaps in our laws and suggest different approaches to solutions.
The Leadership Conference has been actively engaged with CERD for more than a decade. We have helped prepare shadow reports, monitored the U.S. presentations in Geneva, and pushed for its implementation here in the United States. We know that the preparation of the report by the U.S. government provides an important opportunity for a comprehensive review of our own laws and policies and for advocating for eliminating remaining discriminatory barriers. Shadow reports are an opportunity for civil society to put forward a positive vision for implementation of CERD with concrete policy goals that provide a blueprint for reforming our laws and policies to better combat racial discrimination in the United States. We hope that this report will provide the CERD Committee with additional information that will inform its review and lead to concrete concluding observations and recommendations to the government. As such, this report is an important tool in our arsenal for social change.
While the United States has been working to reclaim its leadership on international human rights matters, so much remains to be done. We must reform our racially and ethnically discriminatory criminal justice system. he data aren’t just revealing—they are a call to action. What the data tell us is that, as we learn from the past, we will need to fight for the future. Using international human rights norms and treaties to advocate for domestic civil and human rights can help identify gaps in our laws and suggest different approaches to solutions.
The Leadership Conference has been actively engaged with CERD for more than a decade. We have helped prepare shadow reports, monitored the U.S. presentations in Geneva, and pushed for its implementation here in the United States. We know that the preparation of the report by the U.S. government provides an important opportunity for a comprehensive review of our own laws and policies and for advocating for eliminating remaining discriminatory barriers. Shadow reports are an opportunity for civil society to put forward a positive vision for implementation of CERD with concrete policy goals that provide a blueprint for reforming our laws and policies to better combat racial discrimination in the United States. We hope that this report will provide the CERD Committee with additional information that will inform its review and lead to concrete concluding observations and recommendations to the government. As such, this report is an important tool in our arsenal for social change.
While the United States has been working to reclaim its leadership on international human rights matters, so much remains to be done. We must reform our racially and ethnically discriminatory criminal justice system.
to build a truly equitable, diverse, high-quality education system that educates each and every child, regardless of race, ethnicity or ZIP code. We need safe and affordable housing for all individuals living in the U.S. We need to remove barriers to employment and create affirmative opportunities for career advancement for people of color, who continue to make up a large percentage of the low-wage workforce. In particular, we need to specifically address the needs of low-income women of color who are often struggling to support their families. We need to fix our broken immigration system and protect the rights of immigrants working in the United States. We need to fix our voting system so no voter has to wait in long lines, and we must eradicate any and all racial discrimination in access to vot- ing. We need vigorous enforcement of hate crime protections and expanded, coordinated police-community efforts to track and respond to hate violence and improve hate crime data collection efforts. We need to transform the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights into an independent human rights commission that fully meets the Paris Principles.
These are big challenges. But at The Leadership Conference, we strongly believe that civil and human rights must be measured by a single yardstick, both at home and abroad. We hope that this report will be useful to the international community in assessing U.S. compliance with CERD and that it serves as a public education tool to aid in protecting and promoting racial justice throughout the United States.


I have finished this post but this is a recent UN report and it seems that in fact thr USA are falling behind in regards racial equality.

[Pants-of-dog]

Just make police wear cameras all the time.

If they aren't doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to hide.

[Max Linder]

The filth are a shower of cunts; but i agree with the OP that it's best to bite your lip and cooperate with them. Arguing with them is self-destructive and stupid.

[anarchist23]

From the Huffingham Post
The Ku Klux Klan is reportedly raising money for a police officer who shot and killed unarmed African-American teenager, according to a civil rights organisation in the US.

The Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hate Watch blog has reported that the Missouri chapter of the Klan is raising money as a “reward” for the officer for killing Michael Brown, 18.

“We are setting up a reward/fund for the police officer who shot this thug,” said an email from the South Carolina-based New Empire Knights, according to the Alabama-based civil rights organisation.

"He is a hero! We need more white cops who are anti-Zog and willing to put Jewish controlled black thugs in their place. Most cops are cowards and do nothing while 90% of interracial crime is black (and non-white) on white.”

[nucklepunche]

Most police are just trying to uphold the law. This is taking the examples of bad apples and making them representative of the whole. Yes when you grant authority some people will abuse it, but I am sick of people blaming law enforcement officers for what is really the fault of politicians. Please note that the actual title of the job is law enforcement. The role of an officer is not to decide which laws are right or wrong or to decide what amount of equipment is justified to carry, this is what our legislators decide.

People say that cops randomly gun down innocent people. Okay so we live in a society where people routinely pack heat so they have to be worried. If you don't like it lobby for stricter anti-gun proliferation laws like one gun a month laws. I'm sure there is some racist scumbag out there who is using a law enforcement career as cover for his desire to oppress minorities, but probably upwards of 99 out of 100 uses of force were when the police officer legitimately feared for his life.

People complain about cops "oppressing" people for violations of laws like possessing small amounts of cannabis, having an open container, hosting poker games etc. Yet we the people elected politicians who promised to get "tough on crime." Why not go out and lobby for the repeal of these laws instead of complaining about the people who enforce them?

People say cops have too many military style weapons. Well who sets the budget? Cops are not immune to politics, it is politicians who set the budgets and approve these things. Vote them out.

The point is probably 95% of complaining about police officers should be directed to the legislators who actually make the laws. Police officers don't get to just choose which laws to enforce or they will lose their jobs. We have the power to vote for different elected officials in America. It confuses me to no end the amount of complaining about government that goes on in this country while we still continue to reelect upwards of 90% of incumbents who run for reelection. Then people say we need "term limits" and limits to stop lobbyists from affecting "career politicians." Well maybe just not vote to reelect them next time.

[Godstud]

Well said, nucklepunche. You need only look at the laws they are enforcing and the people they have to enforce it over, to see where the problems arise. Americans packing heat is just another reason for policemen to be overly cautious, or downright paranoid, when it comes to arresting perpetrators of crimes.

You see, I have no fear of police, in any way, shape, or form, because I am not breaking the law. I will never be shot by a policeman, or beaten up, because I know how to deal with the law, and police. The people who encounter problems are the people who see the police as adversaries.

[Cartertonian]

The people who encounter problems are the people who see the police as adversaries.

This is quite true, along the lines of self-fulfilling prophecy, but nevertheless I maintain that it is the system that is adversarial and thus potentiates such conflict. If one self-describes as an anarchist - someone opposed to democratic civil society - then one should hardly be surprised when the people paid to enforce the laws upon which democratic civil society is based take an adversarial and combative position toward you.

[anarchist23]

The police are the upholders of the law. But unfortunately a minority in the police force believe that they are above the law. The majority of the police are decent working class people and they are not happy with the rotten apples in the force. My ex neighbour is a police man and he is still a family friend.
I can remember being busted at a demo outside the Irish Embassy in the late sixties and the police informed my bosses at work which they had no right to do. It's the young, the ethnic minorities that seem to suffer police harassment and this is well documented.
In India, where I have lived, the police were so corrupt but that is another story. We are so lucky to have the unarmed Bobby in the UK, community policing and the Police Complaint Authority. In regards the PCA, I have had success with them when me and my young family was being badly harassed .
Democracy? You mean an Oligarchy?

Edit. Carter. I see you were in hospital. Have you fully recovered.

[OllytheBrit]

Their mission statement should be 'We take everything extremely seriously, it's just that we can't be bothered to actually do anything. But when we do, you can bet your life we'll fuck up.'

[anarchist23]

I read this in the Guardian Oct 14 2014 and I think the article is relevant.



A federal jury on Tuesday found five Denver sheriff’s deputies used excessive force against a homeless street preacher and awarded his family $4.6m in damages.

Marvin Booker died in 2010 after deputies shocked him with a Taser while he was handcuffed, put him in a sleeper hold and lay on top of him. Darrold Killmer, the Booker family’s attorney, said that was a zealous overreaction to the frail 56-year-old.

The Booker family was in tears after the verdict was announced.

“We finally got justice for my brother,” the Reverend Calvin Booker said. “My father and brother can rest in peace now.”

A lawyer representing the city of Denver, Thomas Rice, told jurors that the deputies’ actions were in line with the sheriff department’s policies for handling a combative inmate.

The three-week trial came amid calls for a federal investigation of the department over other high-profile abuse cases that prompted the sheriff’s department to make sweeping reforms. Former sheriff Gary Wilson resigned in July as the city agreed to pay $3.3m to settle another federal jail-abuse lawsuit by a former inmate over a beating. It was the largest payout in city history to settle a civil rights case.

“Something has to change,” Killmer said in urging the Booker jury to award a large payout. “We need a voice from the community to say, something has to change. This isn’t the way we’re going to do business anymore.”

Booker’s family filed the federal suit against the city and county of Denver as well as deputies Faun Gomez, James Grimes, Kyle Sharp and Kenneth Robinette and Sergeant Carrie Rodriguez. Inmates told investigators that the struggle began when he was ordered to sit down in the jail’s booking area but instead moved to collect his shoes, which he had taken off for comfort.

Booker, who was arrested on an outstanding warrant for drug possession, was cursing and refusing to follow orders, according to the deputies’ account. He was restrained by deputies who got on top of him, placed him in a sleeper hold, handcuffed him and shocked him with a stun gun.

Attorneys representing the family of Booker said deputies stunned him for too long and should have backed down when Booker said he was struggling to breathe. In his closing arguments, Killmer said the “dogpile” of deputies was a zealous overreaction.

“Mr Booker was essentially doing a pushup with all those deputies on his back,” he said, adding that the department then tried to “whitewash” the incident with a shoddy investigation. Among other mistakes, Killmer said the deputy who stunned Booker submitted the wrong Taser for analysis and questioned whether the right one was ever found.

Denver’s medical examiner said Booker died of cardiorespiratory arrest during restraint, and ruled his death a homicide. The report listed other factors in his death, including emphysema, an enlarged heart and recent cocaine use.

Rice said Booker’s heart problems caused his death, and a healthier inmate would have survived the encounter.

The deputies “hadn’t the slightest notion that Mr Booker had a heart condition,” Rice told jurors. “The bad heart was the trigger.”

Prosecutors declined to charge the deputies. Sheriff’s department officials never disciplined them, saying it was reasonable for the deputies to believe he could harm someone and that force was necessary to restrain him.

[Donna]

I can remember being busted at a demo outside the Irish Embassy in the late sixties and the police informed my bosses at work which they had no right to do. d.

That's what you get for giving them a headache with your hippy protest. I hope you got fired.

Police can often be towardly, even to criminals and minorities, but if there is one thing certain they hate self-righteous leftists causing public disturbances.

[anarchist23]

Yes I was fired but for a cannibis resin conviction in 1969. It was a good excuse to drop out and live an alternative lifestyle which I still do. I have never been a hippy, punk or raver but I have been in those scenes for the music and the drugs.

[Max Linder]

You see, I have no fear of police, in any way, shape, or form, because I am not breaking the law. I will never be shot by a policeman, or beaten up, because I know how to deal with the law, and police. The people who encounter problems are the people who see the police as adversaries.

You're obviously talking about bribes.