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This morning the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić was judged to be "criminally responsible" for the 1995 genocide of Muslims in Srebrenica and sentenced to 40 years in jail.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/24/radovan-karadzic-criminally-responsible-for-genocide-at-srebenica
It is timely in the current atmosphere of anti-Muslim hate among racists in Europe that a criminal such as Karadžić is a sobering reminder where bigotry can lead.
#14663991
You're talking about Bosniaks, whom you identify as Muslims. They were one of the fighting factions in this civil war. And secondly, mass killing were conducted by both sides.

I'm sure it's amusing to promulgate this 'Muslims are the perpetual victims of everyone' mythos by the media, but most will scoff at these hollow mockeries of reality.

Incidentally, the Bosniaks had a lot of jihadists fighting amongst their ranks, and they initially caused the civil war.
#14663994
Radovan Karadžić was an enemy of NATO who was working for a Serbian government that wanted to realign Serbia with Russia and compromise the integrity of the future southern flank of the European Union.

Because of that, NATO utilised fake jihadists, drug runners, and literally activated Operation Valuable Fiend and also Operation Bloodstone (Bloodstone even included people who had previously worked for the SS and sent Serbs to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp without apology, that's how flagrantly gangster this whole arrangement was), which was a old Axis hand vengeance operation against the Serbs, because of the fact that all the same names and their children re-appeared on the scene.

That whole cynical clusterfuck was absolutely glorious and the west should not be ashamed of playing 'dirty' sometimes.

The fact that social democrats were tricked into supporting literal Nazis and drug traffickers dressed in vaguely Islamic garb for geostrategic objectives and energy resource access, is an object lesson in how to get things done without having your own population deploring it. Lessons should be learned from it.

What happened in former Yugoslavia was an absolute victory against Serbs (and against Russians by proxy), and so you shouldn't rain on Heinie's parade. It's one of the few times when social democrats actually supported a decent NATO operation against Russia. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, just give it a hi-five.

NATO is the #1 ultimate gangster, and there's no shame in that.

May the 'bigot' Karadžić rot in jail. But we should also be realistic about how he got to the jail, and not go around drawing a false 'humanitarian' conclusion about any of this. It was never actually about humanitarianism. It was always about beating the Serbs by any means necessary, and denying Russia any access to the Balkans.
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#14664003
While Karadzic was most certainly a criminal, everyone should take a moment to watch this documentary about how the ITN manufactured propaganda in Yugoslavia:

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Unlike Karadzic these criminals are still out there and to add insult to injury they were awarded BAFTA's and various prizes for their propaganda as well.
#14664080
Rei Murasame wrote:Radovan Karadžić was an enemy of NATO who was working for a Serbian government that wanted to realign Serbia with Russia and compromise the integrity of the future southern flank of the European Union.

Because of that, NATO utilised fake jihadists, drug runners, and literally activated Operation Valuable Fiend and also Operation Bloodstone (Bloodstone even included people who had previously worked for the SS and sent Serbs to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp without apology, that's how flagrantly gangster this whole arrangement was), which was a old Axis hand vengeance operation against the Serbs, because of the fact that all the same names and their children re-appeared on the scene.

That whole cynical clusterfuck was absolutely glorious and the west should not be ashamed of playing 'dirty' sometimes.

The fact that social democrats were tricked into supporting literal Nazis and drug traffickers dressed in vaguely Islamic garb for geostrategic objectives and energy resource access, is an object lesson in how to get things done without having your own population deploring it. Lessons should be learned from it.

What happened in former Yugoslavia was an absolute victory against Serbs (and against Russians by proxy), and so you shouldn't rain on Heinie's parade. It's one of the few times when social democrats actually supported a decent NATO operation against Russia. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, just give it a hi-five.

NATO is the #1 ultimate gangster, and there's no shame in that.

May the 'bigot' Karadžić rot in jail. But we should also be realistic about how he got to the jail, and not go around drawing a false 'humanitarian' conclusion about any of this. It was never actually about humanitarianism. It was always about beating the Serbs by any means necessary, and denying Russia any access to the Balkans.


Good one.
#14664084
Yep. I'll admit to you any time that it was a dirty game that was being played. I don't like this thing where social democrats try to pretend that it was some kind of 'humanitarian war' to uphold universal moralistic values. There was nothing humanitarian about anything that anyone did there.

The Serbs may have been on the other side of the fight, but I will still always respect the Serbian effort in the abstract. They are no more 'criminal' than anyone else is.

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