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By BigSteve
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Drlee wrote:The evidence that it does not deter crime is clear as a bell.


Of course it's clear. Then again, it's not supposed to be a deterrent. It's punishment...

The assertion that it deters the executed criminal from committing crimes is just silly.


Really?

So your assertion is that executed criminals will commit crimes? What crimes are you aware of that were perpetrated by an executed criminal?

Ask any prison guard. The murderers are frequently the least dangerous prisoners and the least likely to re-offend.


That doesn't matter. It's fabulous that they're unlikely to re-offend.

They still need to be punished...

And the death penalty as it is applied in the US is an absurdity.


How so?

Time to do away with the death penalty because it is the smart thing to do.


We should employ it more often...
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The death penalty is an absurdity because the race of the victim and defendant are more important in determining if the death penalty will be used than the actual facts of the crime.
By Dimetrodon
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Capital punishment should still be used, but in a limited sense. It does not deter crime and innocent people can be executed, and thus it should only be used when there is no other way to incapacitate a particular criminal. The main types of people subjected to it should be people who kill after or while escaping prison and those who try to order hits on people while in prison.
By Rich
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Pants-of-dog wrote:The death penalty is an absurdity because the race of the victim and defendant are more important in determining if the death penalty will be used than the actual facts of the crime.

No it doesn't. This is a failure to understand the most basic science. in particular correlation is not causation and the Bell Curve. Relativity small difference in the mean can produce very large differences in the tails. So for what ever reason American Blacks have significantly higher levels of criminality and violence than White Americans. This means that proportionately Black people and in particular Black men commit more murders. But the death penalty is only applied to the "worst" murders. Hence (if we're half way intelligent and half way educated) due to the Bell Curve we should expect the proportion of Black death row inmates to be significantly higher even than their proportion amongst murderers.

Ok, Ok I realise I m debating with lefties who confuse education with Cultural Marxist indoctrination. So that's probably a bit too abstract for you. Look at women. Men are far more likely to commit murder than women. In the same way when we say an American Muslim is far more likely to have committed murder than an American Infidel, doesn't mean that the majority of American Muslims are murderers, this doesn't mean that the majority of men are murderers. What it does mean is that although something like 15% of murderers are women, only about 2% of death row inmates are women. This doesn't mean we live in a man hating society. This doesn't mean we need to start a "Male lives matter" campaign.
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The capital punishment is a greater warning against committing a crime than imprisonment. For example, Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people, received only 21 years in prison. Do you really think that this is tantamount to the death of 77 people?
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By Julian658
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Donna wrote:Thomas Aquinas on capital punishment:



My view is more or less the same.

Capital punishment is barbaric. It is as simple as that. This is not what a civilized society does.
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By Julian658
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Pants-of-dog wrote:The death penalty is an absurdity because the race of the victim and defendant are more important in determining if the death penalty will be used than the actual facts of the crime.

As usual POD plays the race card! :knife: :knife: :knife:
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By Julian658
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, pointing out racism is a good thing.

If done too much it can be detrimental. And you do it 24/7. But, then again marxists have replaced the "business owner oppressing the worker" mantra with the "white oppressing non-whites" slogan as the most favored preaching tool to impose socialism.
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@Julian658

Your usual tirade against leftists is boring.

If you have anything intelligent to say about how racism and the death penalty intersect, please let me know.
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By Julian658
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Pants-of-dog wrote:@Julian658

Your usual tirade against leftists is boring.


It is the truth POD. Feel free to explain why it is not true.

If you have anything intelligent to say about how racism and the death penalty intersect, please let me know.


The death penalty is barbaric regarding the existence or non-existence of racism. You simply want to inject your propaganda to promote socialism.
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By Drlee
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@Julian658 Capital punishment is barbaric. It is as simple as that. This is not what a civilized society does.


Spot on. Even if racism was not a feature of this nonsense it is, at its heart, a completely uncivilized practice.
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Julian658 wrote:....

The death penalty is barbaric regarding the existence or non-existence of racism. You simply want to inject your propaganda to promote socialism.


Your feelings about the death penalty do not, in any way, address the racism involved.
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By Drlee
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@Pants-of-dog Your feelings about the death penalty do not, in any way, address the racism involved.


You are going far afield here POD. Whether or not the death penalty is applied in a racist manner, you seem to want to argue with someone who opposes it anyway. Julian is on the right side of this issue and it would seem to me that you may want to concentrate your efforts on debating someone with whom you actually disagree.

The death penalty is wrong even before the first conviction. Whether it is racist or not is not particularly relevant to me and to most people who oppose it.
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@Drlee

Again, personal feelings of antipathy towards the death penalty do not, in any way, address the racism involved in the application of the death penalty.

To ignore this racism is to silently condone it.

Also, you are still using notifications incorrectly.
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By Drlee
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Again, personal feelings of antipathy towards the death penalty do not, in any way, address the racism involved in the application of the death penalty.

To ignore this racism is to silently condone it.


There is no need to address it once one takes the position that it is inherently evil. That feature of it is just clutter.

Also, you are still using notifications incorrectly.


Fuck you very much.
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Drlee wrote:There is no need to address it once one takes the position that it is inherently evil. That feature of it is just clutter.


Yes and no.

it makes it clear why the person opposing the death penalty may not need to care about racism, but it does not change or address the reality of.racism in death penalty sentencing.

Fuck you very much.


Using notifications us easy.

You can simply quote the person directly by hitting the speech balloon in the corner of their post.

Or use the @ symbol and choose the recipient's name from the drop down menu.

Also, if you think I am.being rude, please contact moderation. i am sure they will be happy to give me a warning or a card if they deem.it necessary.
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