[eugenekop]

Its not only the media, there are certain industries where the left completely dominates. The media, the entertainment industry, the academia, the lawyer profession. Why is that?

[Loba]

Probably it has to do to the approximating of the left ideas (ideas, not regimes) to the freedom of speaking, anti-conservatism and the general "rebel stand"

[Zagadka]

Because you are biased right and see everything as leftist?

[Preston Cole]

It's something we need to accept and fight. Most people are into ideologies that deny conservatism because they're "kewl" and anti-oppression and other nonsense. Some have a fetish with defending weakness. Others defend egalitarianism. Some are deluded radical hippies, and so on and so forth. History is progressively degrading until a major reaction tilts the balance in favor of rightism again. If the human race accepted conservative values with a combination of social protection, social progress and moderate individual freedom, maybe things like the Holocaust could be averted.

[Zagadka]

It's something we need to accept and fight.

Fox News is the highest ranked cable news channel by far. Keep up the fight, underdogs!

Most people are into ideologies that deny conservatism because they're "kewl"

Yea, I'm into it for the chicks.

and anti-oppression and other nonsense

Pffft, rejecting people oppressing them, how silly.

History is progressively degrading until a major reaction tilts the balance in favor of rightism again

Yea, I can't wait for minorities to be gassed again by a regime that will leave my corpse in a forest for protesting it. Sounds fun.

[danholo]

To answer your question, first we'll have to define what you mean by "the media". Considering that this is a plural of "medium", don't all mediums have their own profile and attributes?

This thread makes no sense whatsoever. The media is a nice rhetorical piece but if we talk about it seriously, generalizing is very, very stupid.

But yes, Journalism is more liberal in general. FOX is just an aberration, and so are the other cable news networks which just take a shit on the concept of reporting in general. But that's America. Some of the worst "news" outlets in the world out there.

[Zagadka]

But it's not news, just presented as such. Journalism is more liberal in general. FOX is just an aberration, and so are the other cable news networks which just take a shit on the concept of reporting in general.

So, Fox NEWS can't be analyzed as a news service because they aren't about NEWS, but every other network that aren't news services can be analyzed as news services?

Maybe journalism is "biased" because rightists tend to view college majors such as journalism as unworthy of notice and focus on business news like the Wall Street Journal?

[Rei Murasame]

Its not only the media, there are certain industries where the left completely dominates. The media, the entertainment industry, the academia, the lawyer profession. Why is that?

What?

The biggest mainstream media generally defends three things:

• Liberal-capitalism.
  
  
• Individualism.
  
  
• Cosmopolitanism and globalisation.

It's almost like you are getting everything you want and you want more? Are they really not capitalist enough for you yet? Does it need to become literally Rothbardian before libertarians will be satisfied?

[eugenekop]

Maybe journalism is "biased" because rightists tend to view college majors such as journalism as unworthy of notice and focus on business news like the Wall Street Journal?

I think rightists view journalism in general as unworthy because the vast majority of journalists are leftists. I wouldn't want to be a journalist either because of the amount of leftists working there. But why is it so filled with leftists in the first place?

Fox News is the highest ranked cable news channel by far. Keep up the fight, underdogs!

First of all this is a pretty recent phenomenon, second of all this is only one channel, virtually all others are left. Besides United States has a very powerful right-wing population, this is not so in Europe. In Israel all the channels are left leaning. The vast majority of journalists in the west vote for left parties.

[Rei Murasame]

So when did journalism become an open socialist conspiracy, and how come no one was informed?

[Quantum]

I think rightists view journalism in general as unworthy because the vast majority of journalists are leftists. I wouldn't want to be a journalist either because of the amount of leftists working there. But why is it so filled with leftists in the first place?

The media isn't filled with 'leftists', it's filled with centre-left liberals and centre-right liberals because the media is biased towards liberalism, thus attracting liberal-minded people to the profession. How many socialists and fascists work in the media profession?

Centre-left liberalism ≠ Leftism

First of all this is a pretty recent phenomenon, second of all this is only one channel, virtually all others are left. Besides United States has a very powerful right-wing population, this is not so in Europe. In Israel all the channels are left leaning. The vast majority of journalists in the west vote for left parties.

Which left channels? You mean the ones on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, BBC etc.? With the exception of the BBC, all the others are champions of financial capitalism and you'll be hard pressed to find a genuine left-wing media source which represents the interests of the working class. CNN is owned by the billionaire, Ted Turner. A real socialist, there.

A better question is "Why are the media liberal?"

Right-wing parties have some popularity in Europe as well. After all, how much support do ethnonationalist and fascist parties receive in American elections?

[Zagadka]

I think rightists view journalism in general as unworthy because the vast majority of journalists are leftists

Sounds like a solid plan to deal with the issue.

First of all this is a pretty recent phenomenon

Not really. The likes of Limbaugh et al swamped any liberal outpouring.

second of all this is only one channel

That has more viewers than the others combined.

Besides United States has a very powerful right-wing population

It does?

I love duplicity of this. You people run your mouths about free markets and crap, then whine when something you don't like is popular (even though it is and you're pretending it isn't).

[eugenekop]

That has more viewers than the others combined.

I doubt it very much.

Fascists are definitely underrepresented, and so are other types of rightists, from capitalists to militants to family values advocates, to libertarians.

Read here: http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/MediaBias101.aspx

The situation is much worse in Europe and especially in Israel where rightists don't have a single real newspaper, radio station or television channel and virtually all journalists are leftists.

because the media is biased towards liberalism

Again, the question is why is that so.

[Zagadka]

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/0 ... 011/96490/

Code: Select allTotal Day     P2+    25-54   35-64
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CNBC   175   56   96

Fox News completely dominates (columns by age)

The situation is much worse in Europe and especially in Israel where rightists don't have a single real newspaper, radio station or television channel.

Why are you whining about that? Start one. Your constant argument is that free market capitalism makes everything fair. If this holds, start up a right wing newspaper and gain that whole viewership.

[Preston Cole]

The situation is much worse in Europe and especially in Israel where rightists don't have a single real newspaper, radio station or television channel and virtually all journalists are leftists.

I thought Israel was pretty nationalist. Its apparent dislike of the left-wing is something I admire.

[Cartertonian]

Certainly the UK media has its fair share of rabid right-wing nutjobs...Fraser Nelson, Charles Moore, Peter Hitchens, Quentin Letts, etc, etc to name but a few.

I actually think the print media is well placed to capitalise on rightist nonesense. If you look at the 'news'-papers (ha!) responsible for most of the, 'shock - horror', fucked-up, stupid, sensationalist headlines, the lead runners are The Sun, The Express and the dreadful 'Dail Wail'.

Bunch o' fuckin' morons!

[Rei Murasame]

Cartertonian is absolutely correct (his ability to read the country's atmosphere never fails to amaze me, it's like he knows intuitively), there's a considerable centre-right journalism inside the United Kingdom, to the point where it's actually more represented than it is in the population - a sort of bizarre echo-chamber:

To a very considerable extent, the UK's national daily press is dominated by rightwing owners for whom "public interest" simply means "if we can sell it, we'll tell it". Can the the British press continue to be dignified with the epithet "Fourth Estate", traditional watchdog on power and guardian of the people? Or are the traditional ideals of the press a mere utopia in a press market in which freemarket apostles set the rules? Julian Petley, Professor of Screen, Media and Journalism at Brunel University, London, paints a far from jolly picture.

The article is pretty long so I won't quote the whole thing, but basically... the UK media is being taken over by an odd fusion of neoliberalism and social authoritarianism, and no one seem to have asked how these two things ever found themselves in the same boat (I'm sure that jokers like Ronald Reagan have an answer to that question). It's like having FOX News - in print form. One hundred times.

[Daktoria]

Wouldn't ever call the MSM liberal capitalist. Socially democratic and statist capitalist, sure, but it's not politically correct to be a liberal capitalist. You have to bias everything you say by some sort of progressivism or nationalism in order to convince people there's political capital to be had by consuming in the attention economy.

In short, anything intolerant (and unfunny) looks unprofessional, so you lose going that way.

News is not a financial capital sector. Even CNBC is advertisement after advertisement. The only reason to watch that is to seem sophisticated to unsavvy investors by playing it in a financial advisor's office.

If you want to watch real liberal-capitalist media, watch Bloomberg.

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http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/06/24/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-june-23-2011/96490/

Code: Select allTotal Day     P2+    25-54   35-64
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CNBC   175   56   96

Fox News completely dominates (columns by age)

Why are you whining about that? Start one. Your constant argument is that free market capitalism makes everything fair. If this holds, start up a right wing newspaper and gain that whole viewership.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/05/05 ... wer-is-65/

Fox News demographics are heavily biased. Once the baby boom generation passes, it won't be surprising to see a far more progressive-egalitarian-environmentalist bent take over.

Honestly, I don't see classic liberalism lasting 40 years from now. The social liberal paradigm embraces statism too tightly for independent free markets to have a chance, and the developed world service economy/developing world manufacturing economy will only reinforce the coming social spending and tax divides.

[Ombrageux]

The media reflects, primarily, a combination of its readers' prejudices (pandering) and its corporate owners' interests. The personal preferences of an individual journalist are paltry compared to the desire to be have a large audience and the defense of the owner's interests.

[eugenekop]

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Rubbish. Journalists all over the world are leftists, they may try to represent the interests of the business owners but they fail most of the time. In Israel there are two big commercial channels and 3 major commercial newspapers, and they have a significant left bias as shown even in academic studies. I bet in France the media is also left of the center.