[BeesKnee5]

But given the water vapor content of the atmosphere, the amount of additional heat CO2 can absorb is minimal. Angstrom established that over 100 years ago.

Still repeating the lie.

Angstroms understanding 100 years ago was incomplete because he didn't have access to the technological advances since WW2 and didn't have the ability to access the atmosphere above ground level.


Richard Lindzen, was one of the the 3% of climate scientists until he retired, every future prediction he had made whilst he was working has been proven false, every temperature estimate and every estimate for levels of water vapour/ CO2
Just one example of how wrong a man can be is his comparison against Hansen and the actual temperature records.


He is in the same group as Singer, for hire scientists who worked for the tobacco industry to deny the effects of smoking and then got picked up by the oil industry to discredit evidence that challenges the use of fossil fuels. The man accuses all other climate scientists of lying for research funding whilst being paid by right wing think tanks like heartland and Cato. I can see why you'd be a fan.

William Happer, - not a climate scientist
Freeman Dyson, - not a climate scientist
Patrick Moore, - not a climate scientist

[Pants-of-dog]

@BigSteve

Your lack of evidence is noted.

Now that we have established that no other country has emitted more greenhouse gases than the US since 1850, it is obvious who needs to take responsibility.

[BigSteve]

Now that we have established that no other SINGLE country has emitted more greenhouse blahblahblah...

Fixed that for you, because the rest of the world has...

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@BigSteve

Your lack of evidence is noted.

Now that we have established that no other country has emitted more greenhouse gases than the US since 1850, it is obvious who needs to take responsibility.

Everyone needs to pull their share, it just happens that, thanks to the whiners, we ain't pulling.

[Godstud]

China is positioned to lead on climate change as the US rolls back its policies
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions are on the rise after several years of decline, due in part to the Trump administration’s repeal or delay of Obama administration policies. In contrast, China – the world largest emitter – appears to be honoring its climate targets under the 2015 Paris Agreement, as we documented in a recent article with colleagues.

We study many aspects of China’s energy and climate policy, including industrial energy efficiency and reforestration. Our analysis indicates that if China fully executes existing policies and finishes reforming its electric power sector into a market-based system, its carbon dioxide emissions are likely to peak well before its 2030 target.

Over the last decade China has positioned itself as a global leader on climate action through aggressive investments and a bold mix of climate, renewable energy, energy efficiency and economic policies. As one of us (Kelly Sims Gallagher) documents in the recent book “Titans of the Climate,” China has implemented more than 100 policies related to lowering its energy use and greenhouse gas emissions.
https://theconversation.com/china-is-po ... ies-114897

[Pants-of-dog]

Fixed that for you, because the rest of the world has...

Adding a redundant word does not change my point.

Seeing as how you did not disagree that the USA should take responsibility, I will assume you agree.

[BigSteve]

Adding a redundant word does not change my point.

Seeing as how you did not disagree that the USA should take responsibility, I will assume you agree.

Apologies.

The USA should NOT take responsibility...

[Truth To Power]

Still repeating the lie.

Fact.

Angstroms understanding 100 years ago was incomplete because he didn't have access to the technological advances since WW2 and didn't have the ability to access the atmosphere above ground level.

Modern experiments give essentially the same result. Newton's understanding was also incomplete, but he was right, and his predictions still stand.

Richard Lindzen, was one of the the 3% of climate scientists until he retired, every future prediction he had made whilst he was working has been proven false, every temperature estimate and every estimate for levels of water vapour/ CO2

False.

Just one example of how wrong a man can be is his comparison against Hansen and the actual temperature records.

That is not the actual temperature record. That is the falsified record. The actual temperature record shows the only year warmer than 1998 was 2016:

https://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-glo ... peratures/

William Happer, - not a climate scientist
Freeman Dyson, - not a climate scientist
Patrick Moore, - not a climate scientist

Yeah, yeah, only the pal-review fraudster clique gets to call themselves "climate scientists." Sorry, no.

[BeesKnee5]

Fact.

Modern experiments give essentially the same result. Newton's understanding was also incomplete, but he was right, and his predictions still stand.

False.

That is not the actual temperature record. That is the falsified record. The actual temperature record shows the only year warmer than 1998 was 2016:

https://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-glo ... peratures/

Yeah, yeah, only the pal-review fraudster clique gets to call themselves "climate scientists." Sorry, no.

Angstroms research only works at ground level, once we took measurements at altitude in the 1950s his research didn't stack up because we discovered that:
a the wavelength of saturation widens with density,
b water vapour drops faster than CO2 as you rise through the atmosphere and
c that there are gaps in the absorption bands of H20 where CO2 is active, today's levels of accuracy in spectroscopy are something Angstrom could only dream of.

That you can't defend Lindzen is clear, even using the single UAH satelite data he is way, way out.

I don't have a problem with the UAH dataset, apart from the regular corrections they've had to make thanks to RSS who use the same satelites and spot errors for them.

Only qualified researchers in climate science get to call themselves climate scientists. Offering up theoretical physicists is like suggesting a dentist is qualified to do a heart and lung transplant.

Peer reviewed climate change related research papers:
Freeman Dyson : 0
William Happer : 0
Patrick Moore : 0 ( although he'd like to claim he has by avoiding the peer reviewed journals and choosing those where he is on the board).
https://decarbonisesa.com/2016/03/30/fr ... ike-moore/

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https://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-glo ... peratures/

Roy Spencer works for Big Oil...

[BeesKnee5]

Roy Spencer works for Big Oil...

The UAH satelite global temperature is fairly accurate when compared to HadCrut and GisTemp, if slightly on the low side.

It's regularly used by climate deniers despite it still showing warming.

The best thing is it shows recent warming that TTP is denying.

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The UAH satelite global temperature is fairly accurate when compared to HadCrut and GisTemp, if slightly on the low side.

It's regularly used by climate deniers despite it still showing warming.

The best thing is it shows recent warming that TTP is denying.

I could understand this 20 year ago. But now... it's mental defect territory.

[Pants-of-dog]

Apologies.

The USA should NOT take responsibility...

Why not?

[BigSteve]

Why not?

Because the rest of the world has a greater impact...

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Because the rest of the world has a greater impact...

I realise you are addicted to excuses. Problem is, we are not, and the brain dead excuses you are happy to use just don't work in a world where ethics exists.

[BigSteve]

I realise you are addicted to excuses. Problem is, we are not, and the brain dead excuses you are happy to use just don't work in a world where ethics exists.

So, you're saying that the rest of the world has less of an effect on global warming/climate change than the United States?

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So, you're saying that the rest of the world has less of an effect on global warming/climate change than the United States?

Every grownup has to pull their weight..

[BigSteve]

Every grownup has to pull their weight..

I'll take that as an unqualified "yes"...

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I'll take that as an unqualified "yes"...

Troll..

[Pants-of-dog]

Because the rest of the world has a greater impact...

Again, no other country has had a greater impact.

But you seem to be arguing that the USA should not have to do anything unless it is polluting more than the entire rest of the world combined.

While it is amusing to watch you claim that you guys have no responsibility, this is no longer a debate.