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By BigSteve
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Godstud wrote:The Democrats have never been any more lax on border security, than the Repbulicans. The "Open borders" shit and other stuff were manufactured, and simply not true. Trump is more anti-immigration, than for fixing illegal immigration problems. The money spent on a wall would be better spent on actual illegal immigration enforcement, in the workplace(if you truly wanted to address the elephant in the room) as so many have already pointed out to you... numerous times.


What absolute bullshit.

Trump can only do so much when there are American cities which welcome illegal aliens and which also refuse to cooperate with federal authorities. The leadership in those cities should be charged with treason, tried, convicted and hanged.

But you probably think sanctuary cities are a good idea, so you'll excuse me if I give your opinion all of the consideration it deserves...
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By Godstud
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BigSteve wrote:Trump can only do so much when there are American cities which welcome illegal aliens and which also refuse to cooperate with federal authorities.
If you don't understand it, you shouldn't comment on it. The fact is that the police are not going to do ICE's job, and diminish crime prevention in their cities, just for the sake of some fear-mongering morons.

BigSteve wrote:The leadership in those cities should be charged with treason, tried, convicted and hanged.
Only if you're a fucking idiot and ignore the legitimate reasons for them, which you do, of course. :roll:

Get an education....
City officials didn’t have the power to outright stop the federal government from deporting people in their community. But in the spirit of America’s founding principles as a nation of immigrants, sanctuary cities act as a protective shield, standing in the way of federal efforts to pinpoint and deport people at random.
http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-c ... ary-cities

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... -are-safer

Why Sanctuary Cities Are Safer
https://freedomandcitizenship.columbia. ... ng-in-fear

How is it Americans are so fucking uneducated about their own country? You show a complete lack of understanding about what Sanctuary cities actually are. This has no doubt been part of the Kool-aid you drank with your idol, Trump. :knife:
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By BigSteve
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Godstud wrote:If you don't understand it, you shouldn't comment on it. The fact is that the police are not going to do ICE's job, and diminish crime prevention in their cities, just for the sake of some fear-mongering morons.

Only if you're a fucking idiot and ignore the legitimate reasons for them, which you do, of course. :roll:

Get an education....
City officials didn’t have the power to outright stop the federal government from deporting people in their community. But in the spirit of America’s founding principles as a nation of immigrants, sanctuary cities act as a protective shield, standing in the way of federal efforts to pinpoint and deport people at random.
http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-c ... ary-cities

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... -are-safer

Why Sanctuary Cities Are Safer
https://freedomandcitizenship.columbia. ... ng-in-fear

How is it Americans are so fucking uneducated about their own country? You show a complete lack of understanding about what Sanctuary cities actually are. This has no doubt been part of the Kool-aid you drank with your idol, Trump. :knife:


Nobody wants the police to do the job of ICE, but if there's reason to believe someone is here illegally, the police should be able to ask about immigration status. However, in sanctuary cities, they are barred from doing this. That's beyond fucking stupid. If a cop pulls someone over, and the guy doesn't speak a lick of English, why is it so bad to ask about the guy's immigration status?

There should be no "sanctuary cities". None. Every one of them should have every fucking dime of federal funding cut off until they decide to be Americans first...
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By Presvias
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BigSteve wrote:Yeah, because NPR and MSNBC aren't biased at all.

Get back to me when you get a fucking clue...


One of his sources is columbia uni, citing a study by a PhD prof at San Diego uni

https://freedomandcitizenship.columbia. ... ng-in-fear

It's disingenuous to imply that such is fake/biased.

Having checked over the study, it looks comprehensive and btw not every statistic favours sanctuary cities, for example the employment-to-population ratio significantly differs wrt 'non core' areas by 5.90% in favour of non sanctuary cities.

However, labour force participation, median household income, poverty, crime rates and several other indices weigh in favour of sanctuary cities.

(shrugs)
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By BigSteve
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Presvias wrote:One of his sources is columbia uni, citing a study by a PhD prof at San Diego uni

https://freedomandcitizenship.columbia. ... ng-in-fear

It's disingenuous to imply that such is fake/biased.

Having checked over the study, it looks comprehensive and btw not every statistic favours sanctuary cities, for example the employment-to-population ratio significantly differs wrt 'non core' areas by 5.90% in favour of non sanctuary cities.

However, labour force participation, median household income, poverty, crime rates and several other indices weigh in favour of sanctuary cities.

(shrugs)


The bottom line is that "sanctuary cities" should be outlawed, because they provide aid and comfort to criminals...
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By Godstud
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BigSteve wrote:The bottom line is that "sanctuary cities" should be outlawed, because they provide aid and comfort to criminals...
This statement demonstrates that you don't have a legitimate argument, as one of the big arguments for the Sanctuary cities, is that it helps police with law enforcement, and they have more crimes reported and catch more criminals, because of this. It's the lesser of two evils, but I see you cannot comprehend such a thing, as you view things only in black and white, it appears.
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By BigSteve
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Godstud wrote:This statement demonstrates that you don't have a legitimate argument, as one of the big arguments for the Sanctuary cities, is that it helps police with law enforcement, and they have more crimes reported and catch more criminals, because of this. It's the lesser of two evils, but I see you cannot comprehend such a thing, as you view things only in black and white, it appears.


What part of "they don't fucking belong here" is so difficult for you to understand?

If someone gets arrested, and they can't speak a lick of English, it should be perfectly permissible for the local police to ascertain their immigration status. They're prohibited from doing that, and that's wrong...
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Various pointless back and forth arguments about whose posts or arguments are worth reading, tinged with various insults or semi-insults, that contribute nothing to a debate, removed.

Also, get back on topic - arguments about border control or sanctuary cities will be deleted from here on. If you want to talk about that, find a forum in which it's on-topic.
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