[Albert]

Hmmm...

[Godstud]

It most definitely is the fuel of the future, but it's still a fuel of the future. We're not there, yet.

[Atlantis]

I agree. There are a lot of unsolved problems with regards to the e-mobility. I think hydrogen will become a viable energy source, first for the rail and then for the road. The rail will always be more economical and ecological than the road.

[One Degree]

Ah humans. Demand new power sources so we can keep trying to find happiness somewhere else instead of being satisfied where we are. How about we quit traveling so much? How about we make our own community all we need?

[Godstud]

@One Degree, how about you go back to your fucking cave, man.

Why are people so against change? Humans are always exploring and advancing. That's what makes us human. We wouldn't have what we have now if we weren't constantly challenging ourselves, and reaching for new heights. Fuck that "be happy where you are" stupid ass bullshit! That's what primitive morons think.

[Besoeker]

It most definitely is the fuel of the future, but it's still a fuel of the future. We're not there, yet.

I can see the merits of its use. It is a ubiquitous first element on that table. But how do we extract from its compounds and at what cost for the energy to do so?

[Truth To Power]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPheEg-K2qc

Hmmm...

For fusion. Not for anything else.

[AFAIK]

This is greenwash. Just like when the coal companies promoted solar as an alternative to nuclear in the 70s. Shell just wants you to keep buying their oil for another 50 years and then maybe see if hydrogen is viable.

[Godstud]

Hydrogen will be viable within a decade or so, but it is not, at this present time.

[B0ycey]

This is greenwash. Just like when the coal companies promoted solar as an alternative to nuclear in the 70s. Shell just wants you to keep buying their oil for another 50 years and then maybe see if hydrogen is viable.

I agree with this. Look at the company who have invested in this technology. I think everyone can see Hydrogen is the fuel of the future. And we have it in spades within water. If we ran out of oil tomorrow you can be sure the technology would be available next week. I remember reading about water engines two decades ago and how we could already create such a thing if cost wasn't an issue. Are you telling me the technology isn't there yet? Well it isn't because Shell aren't stupid. They want to sell oil. Oil is profitable. More profitable than something that anyone can get hold of from their tap. And then they will create refineries for hydrogen rather than the engines that could do it itself. This is imperialism at it's most evil I'm afraid. Profit before environment.

[Atlantis]

Germany signs contract for first hydrogen-powered passenger trains

"MUNICH, Nov 9 (Reuters) - Germany plans to bring the world’s first trains powered by hydrogen fuel cells into service, with 14 emission-free trains due to transport passengers in Lower Saxony from 2021."

[Rich]

[Besoeker]

I agree with this. Look at the company who have invested in this technology. I think everyone can see Hydrogen is the fuel of the future. And we have it in spades within water.

But extracting it takes energy. How much, I don't know. Same with compressing it.

[MistyTiger]

Toyota has a hydrogen fuelled car out for purchase. Fueling stations are only in California though. Bummer. I want that car!

[Atlantis]

There are a number of unresolved problems with electric cars. Can it ever be sustainable to produce hundreds of millions of very powerful lithium batteries?

And then there are technical issues. Batteries aren't as safe as we like to think:

Tesla bursts into flames after fatal crash in Switzerland

“The violent impact of Lithium-ion batteries could probably have caused a phenomenon called ‘thermal runaway,’ i.e. a rapid and unstoppable increase in temperature,” the fire crew wrote on their Facebook page following the crash.

[Besoeker]

There are a number of unresolved problems with electric cars. Can it ever be sustainable to produce hundreds of millions of very powerful lithium batteries?

And then there are technical issues. Batteries aren't as safe as we like to think:

Tesla bursts into flames after fatal crash in Switzerland

Never happens to gasoline powered cars?

[Godstud]

It can happen to any car. Fear-mongering is common these days.

[Atlantis]

Never happens to gasoline powered cars?

Nobody is suggesting that. We are talking about the fallacy of the alleged superior safety of electric cars.

[Godstud]

I do not think anyone was saying that electric cars were safer. They certainly aren't any more dangerous than gasoline powered cars.

[Atlantis]

:eh: I do not think anyone was saying that electric cars were safer. They certainly aren't any more dangerous than gasoline powered cars.

As is clear from the OP's video, safety is considered a primary obstacle to hydrogen driven cars. This would favor electric cars. However, my example shows that there are safety issues with powerful lithium batteries too. The comparison is between hydrogen and electric, not between electric and gasoline.