[Pants-of-dog]

@BigSteve

@late is referring to the total sum of carbon dioxide that the USA has put into the air since the start of the Industrial Revolution. Since carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for decades, we have to look at emissions from the last hundred years or so, not just what people are emitting right now.

If we add up these historical emissions, the USA is responsible for about a third of all the excess CO2 in the atmosphere and oceans right now.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-othe ... -emissions

[late]

Are you saying that the rest of the world; all of those countries combined, emits a lower amount greenhouse gases and carbon dioxide than the United States does?

Thanks, I physically laughed over that one.

"Since 1751 the world has emitted over 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2...the United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751"

Be aware that we're not laughing with you.


https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-othe ... -emissions

[Ter]

Thanks, I physically laughed over that one.

"Since 1751 the world has emitted over 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2...the United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751"

Be aware that we're not laughing with you.


https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-othe ... -emissions

You did not answer Big Steve's question.
Does the US - at present - emit more greenhouse gases than the rest of the world combined ?
The past is the past.
Nobody alive today is responsible for whatever they did in 1751.

[late]

You did not answer Big Steve's question.
Does the US - at present - emit more greenhouse gases than the rest of the world combined ?
The past is the past.
Nobody alive today is responsible for whatever they did in 1751.

He was being disingenuous.

We are part of the problem, and have to be part of the solution.

[Atlantis]

You did not answer Big Steve's question.
Does the US - at present - emit more greenhouse gases than the rest of the world combined ?
The past is the past.
Nobody alive today is responsible for whatever they did in 1751.

Yes, the US is the most important polluter.

Among the major industrial countries, the US is the biggest emitter of GHG, emitting about twice as much as Europe or China on a per capita basis. There are smaller countries like Qatar or SA that emit more on a per capita basis, but since they are relatively small, their impact is less.

Moreover, while most other industrial countries are committed to reduce emissions under the Paris Accord, the US government is determined to develop the fossil fuel economy no matter the cost.

Since it is infinitely difficult to arrive at an international consensus like the Paris Accord, the US trying actively to torpedo international efforts to stop measure against climate change has effectively ended all hope of managing climate change. The US government is empowering right-wing populists and climate change deniers the world over.

History will put the blame for climate change fully and exclusively on the US. The Trumpets are making sure of that.

[BigSteve]

Thanks, I physically laughed over that one.

"Since 1751 the world has emitted over 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2...the United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751"

That's swell, but you failed to answer my question...

[BigSteve]

He was being disingenuous.

We are part of the problem, and have to be part of the solution.

I wasn't being disingenuous. You're just afraid to answer the question.

Unless the rest of the world understands their role and responsibility, global warming/climate change will continue regardless of what the United States does.

I have no problem with us being part of the solution.

But we should not be the entire solution, and that's what libs seem to expect...

[BigSteve]

@BigSteve

If we add up these historical emissions, the USA is responsible for about a third of all the excess CO2 in the atmosphere and oceans right now.

Which means the rest of the world is responsible for twice as much.

Thank you for answering the question and confirming that the rest of the world is responsible for more than we are...

[late]

I wasn't being disingenuous. You're just afraid to answer the question.

Unless the rest of the world understands their role and responsibility, global warming/climate change will continue regardless of what the United States does.

I have no problem with us being part of the solution.

But we should not be the entire solution, and that's what libs seem to expect...

Love it when you're massively disingenuous while claiming you are not...

Get real.

We're the guys that bailed on Paris. Which means we're also the troll in the road blocking future progress.

A lot of countries have been working the problem. Why would they commit to further reductions when the country that has emitted the most GHG is being utterly irresponsible.

They wouldn't.. You are saying one thing, and doing another. Isn't there a word for that?

[BigSteve]

Love it when you're massively disingenuous while claiming you are not...

I wasn't being disingenuous. I was being quite clear.

Your inability to comprehend that is not my problem...

[late]

I wasn't being disingenuous. I was being quite clear.

Your inability to comprehend that is not my problem...

I've been following the science since the 80s. Not that it's hard to understand...

But you do have a problem, and we both know what it is.

[BigSteve]

I've been following the science since the 80s. Not that it's hard to understand...

But you do have a problem, and we both know what it is.

I actually have no problems, thanks...

[late]

I actually have no problems, thanks...

If your current gig doesn't work out, consider comedy. That was my second laugh of the day.

There is going to be a lot of pressure now, to deal with this stuff. Other countries, kids like AOC, and existing law.

It's coming.

[Sivad]

Among the major industrial countries, the US is the biggest emitter of GHG, emitting about twice as much as Europe or China on a per capita basis.

retarded bullshit.

China emits twice as much Co2 as the US.

China. With the world's largest population and for decades one of the fastest growing economies, China is far and away the world's top CO2 emitter. Close to 10,000 million metric tons of CO2 from burning fossil fuel were emitted by the superpower in 2017.


US CO2 emissions (2017): 5,269.5 million metric tons

[Sivad]

China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined

Chinese emissions have rocketed past both those of the U.S. and the EU:


China's emissions passed those of the U.S. in 2005, and by 2012 had surpassed the combined contribution of both the U.S. and the EU. Should recent trends continue, China will be responsible for the most atmospheric carbon dioxide in less than 20 years.

China has lots of regional company, t00. The Asia Pacific region is home to both China and India -- the world's two most populous countries and two of the largest carbon dioxide emitters. It is also home to other fast-growing and/or populous countries, like Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Japan. Over the past decade, this region's carbon dioxide emissions have grown at an average annual rate of 3.1%, which was nearly triple the global average. As a result, Asia Pacific is now responsible for nearly 50% of global carbon dioxide emissions.

There are some positives in the data. Over the past decade, the U.S. has decreased annual carbon dioxide emissions by nearly 800 million tons

These reductions paled in comparison to China's two billion ton per year increase in emissions

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/20 ... 8ec65628c2

[Sivad]

I've been following the science since the 80s. Not that it's hard to understand...

Don't try to pretend that you understand "the science", you don't know shit about the science. All you got is a dumbed down, ridiculously simplistic, lie-to-the-children story about the science and a blind faith in establishment orthodoxy. You might like to fancy yourself the "very serious" hard-nosed empiricist but really you're just another cultish devotee.

[Beren]

I tend to agree with Sivad that if there's such a serious climate crisis requiring instant action indeed, then maybe we should get out of the neoliberal box and do something actually radical, and all that radical measures should be implemented globally, of course.

[Pants-of-dog]

Which means the rest of the world is responsible for twice as much.

Thank you for answering the question and confirming that the rest of the world is responsible for more than we are...

Are you arguing that the USA only needs to do something if it can be shown that they pollute more than the entire rest of the world combined?

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I tend to agree with Sivad that if there's such a serious climate crisis requiring instant action indeed, then maybe we should get out of the neoliberal box and do something actually radical, and all that radical measures should be implemented globally, of course.

I am all for dismantling capitalism and replacing it with socialism.

I doubt @Sivad would agree.

[Beren]

I am all for dismantling capitalism and replacing it with socialism.

I doubt @Sivad would agree.

Maybe he'd agree with replacing it with technocracy.

[Pants-of-dog]

Maybe he'd agree with replacing it with technocracy.

God knows.

He seems comfortable with only two types of government: a perfect and magically orderly leftist anarchist utopia, and mainstream US conservative government.

Since the former is impossible, he will simply argue that any effort whatsoever to deal with climate change is “gulagism”.