[noemon]

Readers of the thread will note that the chart provided ends 2 months ago and does not support a claim of 5-10 times more.

Readers of this thread can see that electricity prices have grown 6-fold since May 2020 and in August 2022 they had grown 40-fold.

Electricity prices have grown so much over(depending on which months one chooses, anything between 2 fold and 20 fold) the past 2,3,4 and 5 years and have totally departed their normal average ranges of the past decade.

Any reader can also see that you and the "green" lobby constantly claim that "wind is the cheapest form of energy" but the wind producers demand contracts for 4,5 and 6 times the price it allegedly takes them to produce or else.

Any reader can also see that you outright refuse to reply to a very simple question.

How much is enough? At which price point do you protest instead of support these increases? Oh sorry, you invested a few quid in a wind farm and now rub your hands with the higher energy prices.

The 10 year graph speaks for itself, troll. Any person can see that we are being taken for a ride and that wind-producers are pro-actively riding us despite "producing the cheapest form of electricity".

We did not have Covid in January 2020, we were in the middle of winter and the price was £35, 300% less than today.

And we had far less wind-farms then and the wind-farms are supposedly revolutionizing energy prices by allegedly being the cheapest.

[BeesKnee5]

Now what could it be that drove up electricity prices higher than pre covid levels including inflation

If only there was some obvious correlation on the OFGEM site to give us a clue.

[noemon]

Now what could it be that drove up electricity prices higher than pre covid levels including inflation

If only there was some obvious correlation on the OFGEM site to give us a clue.

The government has NOT linked "green" electricity to gas.

And why should it? It's supposed to replace it, no?

Why are British wind-energy producers demanding the same price as US LNG?

Paying triple for US LNG instead of Russian natural gas is also a political choice.

[BeesKnee5]

Readers can see from the governments document that the UK has never been reliant on Russian gas

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/russ ... h%20Russia.

They will also be aware that the UK use of LNG has not increased, however the UK has increased it's export of gassified LNG to mainland europe through the Bacton connecction.


In addition they will note that £65-£75MWh wind generation is asking for is significantly lower than the current wholesale price being dictated by gas in all the charts shared today.

Average wholesale price for the full year before COVID

£57.20MWh

Which allowing for inflation is £70MWh in today's money

A reminder of what wind farms are asking for
"Developers must be offered between £65 and £75 per megawatt hour (MwH) for the power generated from wind farms

[noemon]

Readers can see from the governments document that the UK has never been reliant on Russian gas

It's irrelevant, the UK pays market prices for gas that have been severely affected due to the political decisions of the UK itself.

And more than that, the price of gas is totally irrelevant to the price of wind-power being demanded by wind-producers.

Where is your source?

[BeesKnee5]

Wholesale price of electricity is set by gas generators

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2022/sep/ele ... lectricity


CfD agreement for windfarms is a fixed price compared to wholesale

https://www.lowcarboncontracts.uk/our-s ... ifference/

We can therefore see that a CfD below wholesale means wind farms are asking for less than the price demanded by gas generators.

[noemon]

Are you incapable of comprehending English?

Where is your source for this image:



Post your source or apologize for posting propaganda before saying anything else.

Wholesale price of electricity is set by gas generators

Fake news again, the wind-generated electricity is not capped or set by gas generators. And why should it?

[BeesKnee5]

Actual payments made and recieved by wind farms based on the wholesale price that was been set by gas, being compared to their CfD.

Readers will note that when wholesale prices rocketted last year the wind farms paid money to the government because their CfD was below wholesale.

https://www.lowcarboncontracts.uk/resou ... dashboard/

[noemon]

Still not posting the source.

Why are you not posting your source for that image?

Are you admitting that it is fake news?

[BeesKnee5]

Notice how the poster is accusing data from the official balancing mechanism of being fake news.

https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/market-index-prices

Also note how strong wind generation breaks the link to paying £100-£160 to gas generators, pushing wholesale prices towards zero

[noemon]

Notice how the poster is accusing data from the official balancing mechanism of being fake news.

https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/market-index-prices

Notice how after 5 or 6 requests to post the source of his image, this troll is still refusing to do so. He has posted several irrelevant links but not the actual source to his image. You posted a yearly average for 01/01/2018-01/01/2019. This only gives you a max weekly one. Where is your source, troll?

Either post the source of this image, or apologise for posting fake news.

Final warning.

[BeesKnee5]

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https://www.elexonportal.co.uk

The official site for the wholesale balancing mechanism

https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/

With data of the wholesale prices over the past decade.

https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/market-index-prices

Which is presented on multiple sites like

Gridwatch
Electric insights
Business wise solutions
Catalyst solutions

We must assume that it isn't the source he is after. What he is actually trying to do is discredit a chart showing the data from the source provided, calling it fake instead of looking at the underlying data to see if it is right. Which is really what this little experiment set out to prove.

[noemon]

Still not posting the source while pretending that he has. All these nonsense do not confirm your image.

You posted this image:

Where is your source?

[Godstud]

See how he threatens even after being provided with the data source for the chart.

That's not a data chart and it is not a link to the graph or any information! You tried the same bullshit with me.

Give the actual source, instead of a link to a big page where someone has to search for the information you are supposed to provide.

All the information that proves you wrong is here, @BeesKnee5. https://www.google.com/

[noemon]

The elexon link he keeps posting allows for a max 7 day range.

He posted a yearly average which he pulled out something, probably his own behind.

The elexon link is certainly not his source, so where is it troll?

[BeesKnee5]

That's not a data chart and it is not a link to the graph or any information! You tried the same bullshit with me.

Give the actual source, instead of a link to a big page where someone has to search for the information you are supposed to provide. You might as well just said, "My information is here in this link https://www.google.com/"

It is the data used to generate the chart.

It's always fun when the target becomes the chart and not the data that produced it.

[BeesKnee5]

If one looks closely they can see that Elexon is indeed the source of the data

[noemon]

It is the data used to generate the chart.

It's always fun when the target becomes the chart and not the data that produced it.

Where is the source of your image?

It's always fun when trolls are called out and then squirm like this.

If one looks closely they can see that Elexon is indeed the source of the data

Look closely where? You have not provided the source of your image, still. And the image in question does not contain these citations either.

Where did you get this image from? Post the link or apologize.

Your image does not contain a link nor any of the citations you are shamelessly lying about again.

[noemon]

With data of the wholesale prices over the past decade.

https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/market-index-prices

This guy is just a compulsive liar.

Where is the data for the "past decade"?

https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/market-index-prices





Where did you get your 01/01/2018-01/01/2019 image from?

[BeesKnee5]

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https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=balan ... s/historic