- 01 Mar 2024 09:02
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I was listening to NPR and they were talking about how the Infrastructure Act is paying for all-electric buses for school.
This refers to the U.S. Investment and Jobs Act, passed in late 2021, but the reporter only kept referring to it as the "Bipartisan Infrastructure Act" throughout the story.
I found this to be misleading and dishonest, because arguably the act was not really so genuinely "bipartisan". (It was really more of a Democratic Party initiative, and many Republican lawmakers got coerced into voting for it because it was the only way they could get a big spending bill to pass. And not only that but most of the spending in the act was not really on what most would consider infrastructure, rather it funded a range of progressive pet projects)
But the thing that really stood out about the story was the cost of these buses. A typical electric bus costs $375,000, which is three to four times the amount a normal new diesel bus costs.
And that doesn't even include the added cost of charging infrastructure, which can cost from $10,000 to $30,000.
But the news story did not seem to focus on this too much. The news story focused on how people liked the new buses and presented it as good thing.
Well of course they are going to think of it as a good thing if someone else is providing it to them for free! But the thing is, these buses are not really "free". The taxpayers are paying for them.
I think it's obvious no school would be buying these buses if they had to pay for them. Not even in the most progressive pro-environment areas.
The news story did not cover this, but I would imagine these electric buses probably only have a lifespan of about 10 years before the batteries need to be replaced. For an electric bus, that is going to cost $50,000 to $75,000.
The school is still not going to care about that if the bus is provided to them for free. Since even with those extra costs added on, it would still seem cheaper to them than the cost of having to buy a new bus. But this does show how expensive these electric buses are, in total costs (which the taxpayers will be paying for one way or another).
The main political reason for pushing these electric buses is the belief that they can help prevent climate change.
But did anyone ever bother to think or try doing the calculations to see if the cost is actually worth it?
The government cannot afford to give one of these new electric buses to every school, only around 5000 buses will be provided by this Infrastructure Act.
Is this actually a good use of money? I mean per bus? Are we thinking logically about this?
The electric bus does have a shorter driving range.
The reporter interviewed on bus driver, who is the Transportation Supervisor, who said he gets what some call "range anxiety" on his long, rural routes; one time his battery got down to 8%. "When you start getting that low, you start to kind of panic a little bit, especially when you got kids on board."
There are also challenges that are specific to rural districts. Because their routes are so long, the Ralls County drivers sometimes park their school buses at their homes overnight, cutting down on their overall driving time, which is regulated by the state. That's not possible with the electric buses that need to be charged at the district’s bus garage overnight.
"It cuts into drivers' time; it's less time that our drivers are on the road too, especially when you run into rural communities."
That, along with a technical issue that took one of the buses out of service early on, makes it hard for Eric Joiner to recommend the vehicles.
"Still he says this program has been great for cash strapped rural school districts."
So the schools appreciate getting the buses. But the main reason they appreciate getting the buses is because they do not have money to afford a regular diesel bus, let alone what an electric bus would cost. I bet the schools would be happier if they were given two normal buses instead of one electric bus.
And these electric buses are really not the best suited for rural areas. It might be more logical to have provided a free electric bus to a city school, and then taken the diesel bus from the city school in exchange to provide it to the rural school.
To be fair, it is true that these electric buses have some advantages, less noisy, less maintenance needed, and cleaner with no unpleasant diesel exhaust fumes around the children. But all that still barely justifies the huge price.
Electric buses are coming to a school near you -- but are they more than a fad? by Kate Grumke, Harvest Public Media, January 29, 2024
New electric school buses hit rural roads in Midwest | KCUR - Kansas City news and NPR
Just for comparative reference, $400,000 is what the average house price is in the U.S. and everyone knows that home prices in the U.S. are considered very unaffordable for many right now.
I know many progressives urgently want to "do something" to help fight "Climate Change", but it seems many of these progressives have absolutely no sense of money and cost.
This refers to the U.S. Investment and Jobs Act, passed in late 2021, but the reporter only kept referring to it as the "Bipartisan Infrastructure Act" throughout the story.
I found this to be misleading and dishonest, because arguably the act was not really so genuinely "bipartisan". (It was really more of a Democratic Party initiative, and many Republican lawmakers got coerced into voting for it because it was the only way they could get a big spending bill to pass. And not only that but most of the spending in the act was not really on what most would consider infrastructure, rather it funded a range of progressive pet projects)
But the thing that really stood out about the story was the cost of these buses. A typical electric bus costs $375,000, which is three to four times the amount a normal new diesel bus costs.
And that doesn't even include the added cost of charging infrastructure, which can cost from $10,000 to $30,000.
But the news story did not seem to focus on this too much. The news story focused on how people liked the new buses and presented it as good thing.
Well of course they are going to think of it as a good thing if someone else is providing it to them for free! But the thing is, these buses are not really "free". The taxpayers are paying for them.
I think it's obvious no school would be buying these buses if they had to pay for them. Not even in the most progressive pro-environment areas.
The news story did not cover this, but I would imagine these electric buses probably only have a lifespan of about 10 years before the batteries need to be replaced. For an electric bus, that is going to cost $50,000 to $75,000.
The school is still not going to care about that if the bus is provided to them for free. Since even with those extra costs added on, it would still seem cheaper to them than the cost of having to buy a new bus. But this does show how expensive these electric buses are, in total costs (which the taxpayers will be paying for one way or another).
The main political reason for pushing these electric buses is the belief that they can help prevent climate change.
But did anyone ever bother to think or try doing the calculations to see if the cost is actually worth it?
The government cannot afford to give one of these new electric buses to every school, only around 5000 buses will be provided by this Infrastructure Act.
Is this actually a good use of money? I mean per bus? Are we thinking logically about this?
The electric bus does have a shorter driving range.
The reporter interviewed on bus driver, who is the Transportation Supervisor, who said he gets what some call "range anxiety" on his long, rural routes; one time his battery got down to 8%. "When you start getting that low, you start to kind of panic a little bit, especially when you got kids on board."
There are also challenges that are specific to rural districts. Because their routes are so long, the Ralls County drivers sometimes park their school buses at their homes overnight, cutting down on their overall driving time, which is regulated by the state. That's not possible with the electric buses that need to be charged at the district’s bus garage overnight.
"It cuts into drivers' time; it's less time that our drivers are on the road too, especially when you run into rural communities."
That, along with a technical issue that took one of the buses out of service early on, makes it hard for Eric Joiner to recommend the vehicles.
"Still he says this program has been great for cash strapped rural school districts."
So the schools appreciate getting the buses. But the main reason they appreciate getting the buses is because they do not have money to afford a regular diesel bus, let alone what an electric bus would cost. I bet the schools would be happier if they were given two normal buses instead of one electric bus.
And these electric buses are really not the best suited for rural areas. It might be more logical to have provided a free electric bus to a city school, and then taken the diesel bus from the city school in exchange to provide it to the rural school.
To be fair, it is true that these electric buses have some advantages, less noisy, less maintenance needed, and cleaner with no unpleasant diesel exhaust fumes around the children. But all that still barely justifies the huge price.
Electric buses are coming to a school near you -- but are they more than a fad? by Kate Grumke, Harvest Public Media, January 29, 2024
New electric school buses hit rural roads in Midwest | KCUR - Kansas City news and NPR
Just for comparative reference, $400,000 is what the average house price is in the U.S. and everyone knows that home prices in the U.S. are considered very unaffordable for many right now.
I know many progressives urgently want to "do something" to help fight "Climate Change", but it seems many of these progressives have absolutely no sense of money and cost.
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