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The risk of an impact by asteroid 2004 MN4 went up slightly on Saturday, Dec. 25. It is now pegged at having a 1-in -45 chance of striking the planet on April 13, 2029. That's up from 1-in-63 late on Dec. 24, and 1-in-300 early on Dec. 24.

Astronomers still stress that it is very likely the risk will be reduced to zero with further observations. And even as it stands with present knowledge, the chances are 97.8 percent the rock will miss Earth.


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Update, Dec. 24, 10:19 p.m. ET: An asteroid that has a small chance of hitting Earth in the year 2029 was upgraded to an unprecedented level of risk Friday, Dec. 24. Scientists still stress, however, that further observations will likely show the space rock won't be on a collision course with the planet.

The risk rating for asteroid 2004 MN4 was raised Friday by NASA and a separate group of researchers in Italy.

The asteroid's risk rating a possible impact scenario on April 13, 2029 has now been categorized as a 4 on the Torino Scale. The level 4 rating -- never before issued -- is reserved for "events meriting concern."

The Dec. 24 update from NASA stated:

"2004 MN4 is now being tracked very carefully by many astronomers around the world, and we continue to update our risk analysis for this object. Today's impact monitoring results indicate that the impact probability for April 13, 2029 has risen to about 1.6 percent, which for an object of this size corresponds to a rating of 4 on the ten-point Torino Scale. Nevertheless, the odds against impact are still high, about 60-to-1, meaning that there is a better than 98 percent chance that new data in the coming days, weeks, and months will rule out any possibility of impact in 2029."

With a half-dozen or so other asteroid discoveries dating back to 1997, scientists had announced long odds of an impact -- generating frightening headlines in some cases -- only to announce within hours or days that the impact chances had been reduced to zero by further observations. Experts have said repeatedly that they are concerned about alarming the public before enough data is gathered to project an asteroid's path accurately.

Asteroid 2004 MN4 is an unusual case in that follow-up observations have caused the risk assessment to climb -- from Torino level 2 to 4 -- rather than fall.


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An edited version of the 2004 MN4 story originally posted on SPACE.com at 9:58 a.m. ET on Dec. 24:

Scientists said Thursday that a recently discovered asteroid has a chance of hitting Earth in the year 2029, but that further observations would likely rule out the impact scenario.

The asteroid is named 2004 MN4. It was discovered in June and spotted again this month. It is about a quarter mile (400 meters) wide.

That's bigger than the space rock that carved meteor crater in Arizona, and bigger than one that exploded in the air above Siberia in 1908, flattening thousands of square miles of forest. If an asteroid the size of 2004 MN4 hit the Earth, it would do considerable localized or regional damage. It would not cause damage on a global scale.

Scientists stressed, however, that the rock would likely miss the planet
A statement was released by NASA asteroid experts Don Yeomans, Steve Chesley and Paul Chodas.

"The odds of impact, presently around 1-in-300, are unusual enough to merit special monitoring by astronomers, but should not be of public concern," the scientists said. "These odds are likely to change on a day-to-day basis as new data are received. In all likelihood, the possibility of impact will eventually be eliminated as the asteroid continues to be tracked by astronomers around the world."

The scientists project an asteroid's future travels based on observations of its current orbit around the Sun. On computer models, the future orbits are not lines but rather windows of possibility. The orbit projections for 2004 MN4 on April 13, 2029 cover a wide swath of space that includes the location where Earth will be. Additional observations will allow refined orbit forecasts -- more like a line instead of a window.

The asteroid will be easily observable in coming months, so scientists expect to figure out its path.

Most asteroids circle the Sun in a belt between Mars and Jupiter. But some get gravitationally booted toward the inner solar system.

The 323-day orbit of 2004 MN4 lies mostly within the orbit of Earth. The asteroid approaches the Sun almost as close as the orbit of Venus. It crosses near the Earth's orbit twice on each of its passages about the Sun.

2004 MN4 was discovered on June 19 by Roy Tucker, David Tholen and Fabrizio Bernardi of the NASA-funded University of Hawaii Asteroid Survey. It was rediscovered on Dec. 18 from Australia by Gordon Garradd of the Siding Spring Survey. More than three dozen observations have been made, with more expected to roll in from other observatories this week.

It has been a busy stretch for asteroid scientists. Earlier this week, researchers announced that a small space rock had zoomed past Earth closer than the orbits of some satellites.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_risk_041224.html
By Napuljun
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Come one, we heard these a lot of times, and than, when the time comes, they never hit.
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By Iain
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Isn't that pretty much what the article says

Astronomers still stress that it is very likely the risk will be reduced to zero with further observations.


More interesting is that there seems to be a very good chance that, if a big asteroid does hit the earth, we won't see it until it enters the atmosphere.
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By Attila The Nun
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Asteroids get caught up in the Earth's atmosphere all the time. They just burn up in the atmosphere or are so small when they come down no one notices.
By Josh
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NGL wrote:Oh well, I could actually careless, it will finally free me from this evil realm.


Triggerhappy Nun wrote:Asteroids get caught up in the Earth's atmosphere all the time. They just burn up in the atmosphere or are so small when they come down no one notices.


If you look at the article more closely, it says "The asteroid is named 2004 MN4. It was discovered in June and spotted again this month. It is about a quarter mile (400 meters) wide. That's bigger than the space rock that carved meteor crater in Arizona, and bigger than one that exploded in the air above Siberia in 1908, flattening thousands of square miles of forest. If an asteroid the size of 2004 MN4 hit the Earth, it would do considerable localized or regional damage. It would not cause damage on a global scale. "

So, basically... unless chance has MN4 hit your house, NGL, we'll still be graced by your presence. ;) As for the asteroid burning up in the atmosphere, I doubt that will happen in the off chance that it even hits. It's, as was said, larger than the one that caused the Arizona crater, and if the Arizona-crater asteroid was able to hit the Earth, then an asteroid much larger than it should be able to do so as well. Fortunately without the need for Bruce Willis to save us from global catastrophe.
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By Iain
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What if it does hit?
Depending on the size, it could be anything from you not noticing to something that causes unbelievable devastation, making the tragedy in the Indian Ocean seem like a picnic. This would be nearer the latter scenario. Bill Bryson in "A Short History of Nearly Everything" says that, for a larger asteroid six miles across :
- From the asteroid entering the Earth's atmosphere to hitting the ground would take about one second; we probably wouldn't know it was there before it entered the atmosphere (we don't spot most asteroids - even large ones - until they've already passed us; and probably miss a lot altogether).
- Anything directly under the path of the asteroid would immediately be heated by compressed air to 60,000 Kelvin - ten times hotter than the surface of the sun.
- Everything within 250km would be killed by the impact blast
- People up to 1500km away would be knocked off their feet by the blast and hit by flying projectiles, as if in a bomb blast.
- There would be an additional long term impact across the world, possibly with large numbers of tsunamis, volcanos and earthquakes.
- An estimated 1.5 billion people would be dead by the end of the first day; they might be the lucky ones.

Sleep well, folks. Remember, one second warning. :eek:
By Einherjar
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This topic is quite interesting.
Is it the worth spending so much money on space voyages, and on researches and to notice asteroids paths; when so much people here on the Earth are suffering?
Sometimes I believe that when all people are relatively equal, development ceases to continue or continues with a small scale. This is beacuse in our world, discoveries and development is based on competiton and spite.
So what do you prefer? All of us equal but strengthless against such asteroids or like we are presently, having a chance todestroy or divert the asteroid or to travel to another planet??
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By Iain
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It's hardly an either/or question. The world is so far away from being equal that, even if you are right, it might be something to consider in a century or two.

We are also a long way from being able to destroy, divert or escape from an asteroid, barring the luckiest of circumstances.

Conflict and change do drive innovation; but we measure ourselves (and so may strive to beat) those we perceive to be our near-equals. No one is driven to innovate to increase the gap between themselves and a starving African child even further.

It used to be thought, for example, that factory workers would be outraged of the injustice of the factory owner earning much more than them (and so would rise up). In fact, workers are far more likely to be outraged that the guy next to them earns 5% more for doing the same job than that the big boss earns 1000% more.

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