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Red_Army wrote:I guess it's impressive in a sense that the Germans fought for a few years against three powers that they would never have been able to annex individually. It was colossally stupid, but nice try Krauts!
Nonsense wrote:You can't wind me up Decky , revel in displaying your ignorance to all & sundry.
Facts are facts, they cannot be changed, they are real, like them or not, that's the reality of FACTS.
Date 28 October 1940 – 1 June 1941
Nonsense wrote:Hitler invaded Greece in 1942
Yep definitely American, not only uneducated but too uneducated to even know it.
Nonsense wrote:Hitler made mistake after mistake in helping Mussolini out when he was under threat from allied(mainly British)forces.
That tied up precious German resources, that would have been better utilised elsewhere by the German military machine.
Decky wrote:There is actually an argument (not a great one but still...) for the Greeks being the reason the Germans didn't take Moscow in 1941. Hitler had to postpone Barbarossa so he could help the Italians take Greece. The postponement meant he has less time before the autumn and the rasputitsa came.
Decky wrote:Who did you copy that idea from from? It seems that you have finally given up and are agreeing with me.
annatar1914 wrote:Anyway, I seem to remember now, reading Sebastian Haffner about Hitler's decision to declare war on the United States in December of 1941, that Haffner believed Hitler knew the war was lost (the war he wanted to have won, anyways) after the Soviet counterattack at the gates of Moscow and when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hitler had the opportunity to drag America into the abyss with Germany and bloody the USA as much as he could.
Hitler knew it was just a matter of time before the Third Reich was crushed, and in his view he turned to a ''war'' he still had interest in winning, the war of extermination against the Jews and Gypsies and Slavs in captivity behind Fascist lines. He told his troops to hold fast where they were, fight to the last, with Hitler believing the Germany they fought for no longer deserved to exist and was unworthy of Hitler and his aspirations for them, and with Hitler turning critical German resources towards the cold blooded murder of innocent civilians.
This is why he declared war on the United States.
Rich wrote:Hitler's biggest mistake was the occupation of rCzechoslovakia in March 39. if he'd played his cards right he could have pushed Poland into declaring war without bringing in the British or French and without requiring him to give massive territorial advances to the Soviets. He could have defeated Poland and converted it into his anti Soviet client.
annatar1914 wrote:Problem with Hitler and Poland is that there is no way Hitler would have accepted Poland as a Fascist ally instead of a Fascist enemy (Poland was a textbook case of Fascist rule) without territorial demands being met, and there was no way Poland could back down from that, being a proud nation themselves.
annatar1914 wrote:Hitler wanted access to facilitate an invasion of the Soviet Union, to conquer the Eurasian Heartland as per Mackinder and Haushofer, and Poland was in the way, it's really as simple as that.
There was no way that Hitler would ever have made a pact with the Soviet Union except of course that he did.
France was a proud nation, but once militarily defeated it wasn't hard to find a reactionary right wing organically based regime to partner with.
Hitler actually showed little interest in Poland. He was an Austrian who spent WWI on the western front.
Poland was a very valuable potential ally, who were eager to seize more territory from the Soviet Union.
They could also be played off against the Baltic States more valuable anti Communist allies that Hitler threw away.
But Poland didn't even lie on what should have been the invasion route.
Hitler's priorities were to secure the Ploiesti oil fields and capture the Donbas and the Caucus oil fields.
If seizure of the oil fields without major destruction was impossible in a single military campaign, then the next best thing was to establish the German army on the Volga and renegotiate a trade deal with a massively weakened Soviet Union.
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