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The Second World War (1939-1945).
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By Oxymoron
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So its 1941, Germany has taken most of Europe and successfully forced England into an uneasy truce. Operation Barbarossa does not take place, Germany honors the deal with the CCCP. In the years following, tensions between the Soviets and Germans grows and in 1942 (Or when ever you believe the Soviets had the capability to attack) the Red Army Invades the Reich. Did the Germans have a chance to stop this invasion, what would have resulted? What side would the British take? What about Japan and America, would the situation in the pacific be same?
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By fuser
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1. Britain was actually pressurizing USSR to take action against Germany at this point, so yes they would had supported Red Army's Invasion.

2. USA would had too, given British position.

3. Red Army would had fared better than IRL as reorganizing and expansion would had been completed at this point of time and no staggering losses for Red Army because of the strategic surprise that was Barbarossa.

4. But the invasion would not had been completed in a single operation, to completely conquer Germany it would still had took 1-2 years.

5. Pacific would had been the same.
By Rich
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The Soviet Union would not have declared war if Germany and Britain had ceased hostilities. Stalin was cautious in his military aggressions. Caution characterises his policy towards the Nazis prior to Barbarossa. It characterises his policy towards the allies in 1944 - 45 when he could have leveraged the huge power of the Communist parties against the allies if he had chosen. The same in China and in Korea. To some extent caution even characterises his mode of operation in the internal party power struggles of the 1920's never striking till victory was virtually assured. It is this caution that at the end of the day made Stalin preferably to Hitler for the West. From a Western perspective Stalin was not in any way more moral than Hitler.

It is very easy to view things with the benefit of hindsight. Long term Stalin was just as committed to world revolution as Lenin and Trotsky. However Stalin to some extent admired and identified with Hitler. He felt Hitler was a man he could do business with, from Stalin's perspective much easier than the hypocritical moralistic Capitalist West. Hitler could have had long term peace with Soviet Union, if he'd been prepared to deal with Stalin as an equal. Victory was Hitler's in June 1940. He threw it away by his inability to make peace with nations he'd conquered, to compromise sufficiently with Britain and his was war against the Soviet union. To be fair to Hitler his low opinion of the Soviet Union's war making capability was very much the conventional view at the time. The British Army was substantially inferior to Germany's. If Hitler had focused his armed forces and his diplomatic leverage in the Mediterranean he could easily have brought Britain to the negotiating table. Churchill would have been forced out of office and the appears would have been dominant. The shock of defeat in Britain might well have led to a Vichy type government.
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By SD92
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The Soviet Union wouldn't have invaded Germany, they didn't have the might to march that far, Stalin really didn't want a war hence why he was so happy to accept Hitler's peace contract, even though it was heavily biased in favour of Nazi Germany. If Germany had ignored the Soviet Union and concentrated on Eastern Europe and Western Europe they could have easily won the war and developed nuclear weapons, which would likely mean the Greater German Reich would still be place today. Thankfully Hitler was a clown, who thought he could dominate the whole of the Sovet Union and have a break for coffee in between, and Europe is save and free.
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By R_G
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If the Nazis solidify North Africa and control the Mediterranean, probably get Franco to allow the Reich to grab Gibraltar to leave no doubt. Then of course they have the oil.

I don't think the Soviet Union or America ever invades.

Then in the late 1940s, perhaps the Nazis invade the USSR from 3 fronts. Underneath through Turkey, through Finland and through Ukraine. They probably win.

Churchill is probably dead by this point and England is a trading partner.
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By fuser
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There's just too much of wishful thinking in above post, you can make any country conquer any other by going like this.
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