Yet few of the 'equal' examples you've given are actually comperable to the Armenian example. You keep raising Iraq and Afghanistan, which leads me to believe that you either have no concept of current events, no concept of the Armenia example, or both. Or I suppose you're just being intellectually dishonest.
If you really wanted equality, nothing stops you from 'promoting' these other supposed examples you've raised. Instead you've raised them with the express purpose of distracting or diminishing what was done to the Armenians. That's not 'equality', it is a standard tactic of negationism.
My problem is that countries which had a bloody history that are full of genocides and massacres try to blame us for such things. France is trying to urge us to accept this so-called genocide even when the blood on their hands has not yet dry. I said, if Armenians accept their massacres, so will we. That's equality. But if we are expected to accept this when the massacres and genocides toward Turks are ignored, no way.
When massacres of Turks by Armenians are raised by historians, this doesn't happen.
It was expressed by many historians but they can not be brought into questions as much as 1915 events with the influence of terrible armenian diaspora and anti-Turk world media.
It's a comperable incident. Your approach has been (if we pretend you have been consistent about anything...) that these things happen in a conflict. I've shown you an example that even where things happened during a conflict it wasn't found to be acceptible. An example which highlights that massacres can occur during a conflict, which have nothing to do with that conflict.
But some people try to justify their massacres toward Iraqi Afghanistani Palestinian people because it's for the sake of fight against terrorism so don't be hypocritical about that. When it comes to your barbaric actions they are acceptable but when we try to suppress a revolt in our lands this is genocide. So people ask me why I'm getting more and more anti-west, because they are always such hypocritical against Turks.
Do you think you magically know something about the massacres because of your physical presense a considerable time afterward? You haven't been to Afghanistan, but apparently nothing will shut you up about that.
Normally I do not give a fuck about what's happening in Afghanistan, Iraq or Palestine as long as it does not concern my own nation. But I always use them as an argument for those who try to blame my nation unfairly for nothing and I want to make the see their own post-genocides and massacres toward oppressed people. For example although I'm not so interested in Algeria, I will talk to the admins of my party to give a proposal in the assembly for the official recognition of Algerian Genocide and applying a serious punishment to those who attempts to deny that.
I do not touch anybody as long as they do not touch me either.
My place is on this forum where I can express an opinion. You won't answer the question, because if your family was moved there as part of a resettlement program, your bias towards the Alevis and Kurds would be completely apparent.
I have nothing to hide, but I was so annoyed in front of your terrible insolence to question my ancestries without any knowledge. My mother's ancestries were the settlers of Dersim for centuries. I don't even know why I feel necessary to explain this but I can not stand your rants about my ancestries. You do not really know the background of what actually happent in Dersim.
the people who would have had little good to say about the Kemalists from Dersim are probably dead or have been driven off the land. That's kind of the point I've been making. Thanks to significant crimes against humanity though I will struggle to defeat your rigged test however .
Again some efforts to warp the history. Here are the population changes of Dersim between 1935 (3-4 years before the operation) and 1940 (1 year after the end of the operation)
Around 12.000 people were settled to other cities, the rest ones are killed rebels (don't even count that there were also people who died in natural ways during the year inside those 1-2 thousands of losses). But it seems that the regular population of the province was not damaged in any way. Even if we consider that there were at least 20.000 dead civilians in the operation (although it contradicts to official statistics), it's not bigger than how many innocent people were murdered in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya by imperialist NATO.
So, my grandma (who experienced the events) used to tell me that Ataturk saved them from the persecution of landowner aghas (kurdish tribal chieftains). That's why Alevis are so grateful to the great leader. If you go to any cemevi, you'll see that we put Ataturk's picture on the walls. Dersim resists the unfair kurdish invasion from the provinces around.
But I think it's so hard to tell somebody who suppose that Alevis and Kurds are the same. So, you have nothing related to Dersim so you can not try to lecture me about this. Dersim people were proud of their Turkishness for whole the history.
Some clown will call the police and I'll be locked up for insulting Turkishness?
Actually we have another law called '' Insulting to Ataturk '' but there will be no need, cause the people would lynch you theirself. So, don't even try to talk about Dersim next time. It's still one of the strongholds of Kemalism along with Izmir and Thrace. And just noting that it was the city who gave the biggest support to Ataturk's party in the last elections as an answer to those who try to use it as a tool to blame Turkish state and Ataturk.
“ Everything we see in the world is the creative work of women. '' K. Ataturk