images from the so called liberation of iraq

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By mosul - 08 Apr 2009 09:43

- 08 Apr 2009 09:43 #1862486

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By Truth-a-naut - 08 Apr 2009 09:55

- 08 Apr 2009 09:55 #1862496

How about some context to those pictures.

Most of the ones of men being arrested were taken during the first few weeks (you can tell my the uniforms) - they were soldiers who changed into civies. The best is the family 'running' from a tank. An Iraqi tank. A knocked out Iraqi tank.

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By QatzelOk - 08 Apr 2009 17:29

- 08 Apr 2009 17:29 #1862838

How about some context to those pictures.

No one asked for context before the invasion, so it's a bit self-serving to ask now.

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By LAz - 08 Apr 2009 20:23

- 08 Apr 2009 20:23 #1862979

It's fair to say that life was better under saddam than now, with so many people displaced and heck, one million er so killed.

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By Nets - 09 Apr 2009 05:59

- 09 Apr 2009 05:59 #1863571

Germans lived much better under Hitler than immediately after the defeat of Nazi Germany, what is your point?

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By Zagadka - 09 Apr 2009 06:07

- 09 Apr 2009 06:07 #1863579

Saddam was a dick, and who lived better really depended on who you happened to be (or where you happened to be born). Saddam deserved what he got. The Iraqis didn't, under either Saddam or the CPA or the Iraqi "government"/occupation.

Some images I am very glad to see? Obama's administration has reversed another Bush policy; the ban on images of American coffins coming home. Now each soldier has their final arrival video taped. There is dignity in that recognition, instead of smuggling their bodies in.

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By Igor Antunov - 09 Apr 2009 06:14

- 09 Apr 2009 06:14 #1863590

Germans lived much better under Hitler than immediately after the defeat of Nazi Germany

Yeah....good...comparison.....not. :roll:

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By Captain Sam - 09 Apr 2009 06:16

- 09 Apr 2009 06:16 #1863595

Yeah....good...comparison.....not.

It is a fairly good comparison actually.

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By Aekos - 09 Apr 2009 06:18

- 09 Apr 2009 06:18 #1863596

It is a fairly good comparison actually.

Because Saddam = Hitler hmmm yeah right

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By Captain Sam - 09 Apr 2009 06:20

- 09 Apr 2009 06:20 #1863600

Because Saddam = Hitler hmmm yeah right

Both were oppressive dictators. They share quite a few similarities.
Don't get me wrong, I totally opposed the invasion of Iraq, I'm just saying...

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By Aekos - 09 Apr 2009 06:26

- 09 Apr 2009 06:26 #1863609

Both were oppressive dictators. They share quite a few similarities.

Come on now, Saddam didn't have most of Europe under his control and he wasn't attacking key American allies at the time. He committed genocide against his people, but that wasn't nearly as bad as the death toll as a result of the invasion. If you compare anyone to Hitler in the "oppressive" regard try al-Bashir, but no one's gonna invade Sudan to get their oil

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By Zagadka - 09 Apr 2009 07:16

- 09 Apr 2009 07:16 #1863650

It should also be noted that, while Saddam was a cruel dictator who rose to power offing people, he didn't really start genocide against his own people until after the Iran War and their attempted overthrow of him in collusion with Iran... and we supported him during that war... and we didn't do much to stop his persecution of them after Desert Storm.

So Hitler isn't a very good comparison... Stalin is slightly better.

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By Truth-a-naut - 09 Apr 2009 07:26

- 09 Apr 2009 07:26 #1863654

and we supported him during that war...

We also supported Iran.

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By Donna - 09 Apr 2009 08:28

- 09 Apr 2009 08:28 #1863680

Hitler didn't torture his athletes, at least.

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By Godstud - 09 Apr 2009 09:02

- 09 Apr 2009 09:02 #1863694

People lived well under Saddam?

Reprisal Against Dujail
On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.

Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.
Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.
Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Shiite Uprising & the Marsh Arabs
At the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, southern Shiites and northern Kurds rebelled against Hussein's regime. In retaliation, Iraq brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of Shiites in southern Iraq.
As supposed punishment for supporting the Shiite rebellion in 1991, Saddam Hussein's regime killed thousands of Marsh Arabs, bulldozed their villages, and systematically ruined their way of life. The Marsh Arabs had lived for thousands of years in the marshlands located in southern Iraq until Iraq built a network of canals, dykes, and dams to divert water away from the marshes. The Marsh Arabs were forced to flee the area, their way of life decimated.

By 2002, satellite images showed only 7 to 10 percent of the marshlands left. Saddam Hussein is blamed for creating an environmental disaster.

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By Red_Army - 09 Apr 2009 09:08

- 09 Apr 2009 09:08 #1863696

Its funny how people justify the invasion citing Saddam's crimes during a time we supported him.

Couldn't we have struck a deal with him or something? Why is the CIA so incompetent these days?

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By Mazhi - 09 Apr 2009 12:32

- 09 Apr 2009 12:32 #1863778

You were after the oil! Oil war! Oil war!

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By Nattering Nabob - 09 Apr 2009 12:37

- 09 Apr 2009 12:37 #1863781

Saddam should have been left in control of Iraq.

His removal was not worth the price.

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By Truth-a-naut - 09 Apr 2009 12:37

- 09 Apr 2009 12:37 #1863782

Hitler didn't torture his athletes, at least.

No he just threw them into concentration camps after the olympics.

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By Oxymoron - 09 Apr 2009 13:30

- 09 Apr 2009 13:30 #1863814

Yeah we liberated the Oil from our enemies.

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