- 11 Feb 2021 15:38
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Greece and Bulgaria are paradox in behalf of multiculti european vibe, even more if we know that they are not willing to recognize existence of Slavic macedonian minority in its borders, and while the world is focused on the Uyghur exodus, still eU hasant addressed its modern quiet one, tho which is reflex of the past century ...
I think all this is result due the lack of unified historical standardization in eU, as if there is no will to be found common understanding of history, what as field is left to the member states to decide what is true or not i.e. there is decentralized dissonance of the past thats believed will be overcome in eventual federal centralized europe, but that is just illusion if not delusion, instead nowadays as different to be balanced by our own will someone tomorrow to impose from the centralized european top particular historical revisionism, if not else like that risk what think will never push coexistence but will produce further animosity!
there is one interesting past thread where the OP states that as external motives Greece as nation state was conceived (among other) because lusts for cemented european heritage that would be praised as still existing, although defacto that pagan heritage has long ago disappeared by different means, eventually it couldnt be used even as reminiscence of the ancient vibe, simply Greece was not so homogeneous ethnic stew but one of the most mixed ones through the past 20 centuries which alone in romanticism by linguistic impositions built new national consciousness ...
... in this respect, Greece not just that have used colonizing methods for its megali idea [1][1] but also imposed brainwashing similar to nowadays chinese - metaxas regime should ring the bell [1][1][1] but in way more ruthless manner because it was not question of political ideological rebranding but per-se linguistic and religious assimilation, thus ethnocide, needed ethnic cleansing so the new acquired lands would be nationally as clean as possible!!! and not just that/this is still historically buried taboo, but also there is no official will for reconciliation as neighbors i.e. greeks didnt apologize anyway for their past century balkan wars exodus in Aegean Macedonia against the slavic speaking macedonians, even more still as european member dont recognize any macedonian slav speaking minority in full extent , to be more ridiculous it represents itself as cradle of democracy but still functioning as homogeneous arynistic state that cant accept that there is still population in its borders that officially want to call itself macedonian, even worst as blueprint in foreign relationships it negate that right in other states through all kind of political machinations against its culturally disputed neighbor!
- must add that the tempered assimilation that was vigorous in the past century, what was reflex of the european proxy colonization of the Ottoman Empire [1][1] process which as educational tool was for one century imposed as norm in Greece and Bulgaria with no room even for domestic revisionism on level of institutional educational debate, with humble respect to any attempts, but the european human'rights'paradox now got even on greater level when in the same manner is imposed even today on sovereign state so it would join their european "human" club i.e. eU is really joke when acting concerned about asian human rights while on its soil is closing its eyes for the new sophisticated ethnocid in case of Macedonia now rebranded by force in North Macedonia ... sophisticated histo-political propaganda that is used for rebranding of macedonians in everything else but macedonians IF they want to join eU, and is really mindboggling how such thing exist nowadays i.e. someone to negate the right of some culture to see itself as it wish What should be the basic human right ...
I think all this is result due the lack of unified historical standardization in eU, as if there is no will to be found common understanding of history, what as field is left to the member states to decide what is true or not i.e. there is decentralized dissonance of the past thats believed will be overcome in eventual federal centralized europe, but that is just illusion if not delusion, instead nowadays as different to be balanced by our own will someone tomorrow to impose from the centralized european top particular historical revisionism, if not else like that risk what think will never push coexistence but will produce further animosity!
there is one interesting past thread where the OP states that as external motives Greece as nation state was conceived (among other) because lusts for cemented european heritage that would be praised as still existing, although defacto that pagan heritage has long ago disappeared by different means, eventually it couldnt be used even as reminiscence of the ancient vibe, simply Greece was not so homogeneous ethnic stew but one of the most mixed ones through the past 20 centuries which alone in romanticism by linguistic impositions built new national consciousness ...
- ... and ok, it was their right i.e. to those greek people to see such birth of such nation as needed for their future happiness, but what they have done day after was introducing forcible hellenization except occupation of territories that were never theirs earlier i.e. mass ethnocide of slav speaking population in Macedonia and Trakia that called themselves macedonians, thier solely right, as example in similar manner was greek too ~ when they became mix between phoenicians and pelasgians and called themselves greeks, but they never saw themselves as macedonians or pelasgians (the macedonian ancestors) unlike them later slavs mixed with macedonians and borrowed the geographic name, so they were enough entitled to call themselves as they like including their descendants nowadays, after all its geographic affiliation and not ethnic that till after the age of romanticism and the birth of nations as everywhere in europe it became ethnic one ... tho which I think is wrong from perspective of Orthodox Christian Unity because the concept nation entered also in the Church ~ now known as ethno'philetistic heresy!
... in this respect, Greece not just that have used colonizing methods for its megali idea [1][1] but also imposed brainwashing similar to nowadays chinese - metaxas regime should ring the bell [1][1][1] but in way more ruthless manner because it was not question of political ideological rebranding but per-se linguistic and religious assimilation, thus ethnocide, needed ethnic cleansing so the new acquired lands would be nationally as clean as possible!!! and not just that/this is still historically buried taboo, but also there is no official will for reconciliation as neighbors i.e. greeks didnt apologize anyway for their past century balkan wars exodus in Aegean Macedonia against the slavic speaking macedonians, even more still as european member dont recognize any macedonian slav speaking minority in full extent , to be more ridiculous it represents itself as cradle of democracy but still functioning as homogeneous arynistic state that cant accept that there is still population in its borders that officially want to call itself macedonian, even worst as blueprint in foreign relationships it negate that right in other states through all kind of political machinations against its culturally disputed neighbor!
thanks bringing up the point i.e. greeks see us as bulgarians, bulgarians normally as their, and I offered just simple example the traditional songs, why they are not about Bulgaria but about Macedonia, macedonians are people that were mix between slavs and the indigenous population in Macedonia whoever it was in late antiquity, as slavic Macedonian as balkan language contains many dialects transitional between serbian and bulgarian but it is separate one thus separate tribal affiliation had have through the centuries, simply any population living here called themselves by the toponym, this is also now case with the greeks that occupied Aegean Macedonia in 1913, tho this last one is recent thing just after 1990 before that there were no greek macedonians, its plain fact the existance of macedonians is risk for them and after the independence from ex-Yu Republic of Macedonia became suddenly danger for its wn righteousness in case of grabbed lands i.e. Aegean Macedonia so as measure not from any separatist risks but just pride greek state started claiming there were greek macedonians in 1990. if You have give me one example before '90s where greeks called themselves macedonians! who knows maybe this was just marketing spinn i.e. "national" fears that the greek tourism will suffer if people knew/know that Greece have occupied instead liberated Macedonia, is it so hard to acknowledge this fact, now wouldnt hurt anyone but will settle the unjustice, what again I'll say wasnt greek oil but british even not british but freemasonic coz uK was hostage of BEIC british east india company i.e. the freemasonry [
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