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By superskippy
#725523
Ok fine lets begin.

Confusion in a long line of communications, which occurred in a tense atmosphere on both the American and Israeli sides five messages from the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the ship to remain at least 25 miles — the last four said 100 miles — off the Egyptian coast arrived after the attack was over, instead the ship was 14 miles off the coast of a battle zone at one point.


Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told Congress on July 26, 1967: “It was the conclusion of the investigatory body, headed by an admiral of the Navy in whom we have great confidence, that the attack was not intentional.”

In 1987, McNamara repeated his belief that the attack was a mistake, telling a caller on the “Larry King Show” that he had seen nothing in the 20 years since to change his mind that there had been no “cover­up.”

Two former U.S. officials, Ernest Castle, the United States Naval Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in June 1967, who received the first report of the attack from Israel, and John Hadden, then CIA Chief of Station in Tel Aviv, also agreed with the assessment that the attack on the Liberty was a mistake.

January 2004, the State Department held a conference on the Liberty incident and also released new documents, including CIA memos dated June 13 and June 21, 1967, that say that Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel. The historian for the National Security Agency, David Hatch, said the available evidence "strongly suggested" Israel did not know it was attacking a U.S. ship.

As for they had a flag up, we say that we could not see, they say that we had to have seen, well American Pilots screw up too it seems. In April 1994, two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters with large U.S. flags painted on each side were shot down by U.S. Air Force F-15s on a clear day in the “no fly” zone of Iraq, killing 26 people.

Oh and please for the love of god do not base your claims on what Rowland Evans and Robert Novak said, since they were completely wrong and the person in the war room when the decision was allegedly made Gen. Benni Matti, does not exist.

Also going back to the flag, the sea was calm that day and the flag was thus most likely drooping so as to add to the problam of identafication.
By MasterOfPuppets
#725549
If as this article pertains the Joint Chiefs swept this under the carpet how can you base your defence on their statements.

Clearly if they went to the trouble of making this incident publically defendable they are not going to do an about face for public questioning.

http://www.ussliberty.com/

http://www.nsa.gov/public/publi00007.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Clearly CWAS has every right to post this here. As far as Im concerned the matter is at best unresolved at worst a huge indictment on Israel.
By The Duke
#725596
Superskippy
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The Americans sent a military spy vessel into waters in a warzone, not only a warzone but a warzone involving their allies.


International waters.

The IAF had standing orders to attack any unidentified vessels at will.



There’s your problem, the ship’s crew claims that Israeli planes were circling over them all day and even identified them, they picked up their communications, no problem there.

As a bonus, the ship flew three big-ass American flags which helped a little, the type of ship might also have helped, none of Israel’s enemies had such a ship. The ship that Israel supposedly mistook for the USS Liberty is an Egyptian ship called El Quiseir which is half its size.
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By Rodion
#725606
Oh, man...

Israel claims the ship was identified differently on multiple occasions. On the last one, it wasn't identified as an American vessel.

Also, I firmly request that the motive for knowingly attacking a US ship be established. Other than pure Zionist Evil, I mean.

P.S. MasterOfPuppets, please provide specific quotes from your articles which you want to advance your point.
By redstarline
#725638
I firmly request that the motive for knowingly attacking a US ship be established.


Good luck getting your government to answer that request!
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By superskippy
#725758
International waters.

It's still a warzone, we had multiple Naval Engagments along that zone and sending a spy vessel into what is clearly a military zone is always a bad idea.

And MasterOfPuppets you havent told me anything that is wrong with what I said, except that I'm wrong.

Tell me what would we have to gain from knowngly attacking our only superpower ally? And note these excuses do not hold water.

1. We wanted to stop them from listening into our attack on the Golan Heights.

2. They were going to listen to our handling of prisoners we needed to stop them because we were exicuting them.

3. We wanted America's help against Egypt.


Their have been no less than 10 Official US investigations, and 3 Israeli all concluding the same thing.

Also if the attacks were deliberate why did our planes use Napalm and Machine Guns, rather ineffective weapons to sink a ship why not bomb it and be done with it?
By redstarline
#725760
If you want to talk conspiracy theories, if the idea was to get the USA to join the war, it would be a bad idea to sink the ship, killing the crew, disabling the radio and leaving the ship floating ready for the cameras would be a better idea. Like the US plan to sink a ship full Cubans to give a pretext to invade Cuba.

Were any military personnel punished for this attack?
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By superskippy
#725783
No, because from what they saw and their orders and intelligence held they followed the rules of engagement. However within 24 hours we offered to pay the American full reperations.

After the Americans finally closed the case in the 1980's we gave $13,000,000.
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By Rodion
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A BBC documentary claims that had USS Liberty been sunk, the USA would go to war with Egypt. It does not explain why Liberty wasn't sank, even though there were no US forces for IDF to run from.

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