Yes, I stand by that. This is stated in Josephus [more contemporary], as well as by the ancient Greeks, and you have yet not produced the required proof of a Greek alphabetical book pre-320 BCE. The proofs you gave were responded to - links which are heresay opinion 1,500 years later, with no thread accept one indecipherable 4 page item - does not cut it with an alphabetical writing history as seen in the Hebrew.
I have produced such a proof, and you recognized it as well. Are you daft or something?
its not like the Greeks took a pause from history; so where is the Greek library near the Hebrew - what excuse can apply?
Indeed we didn't, the Jews did take a pause from history. The continuity of Greek literature is far greater than hebrew. Greeks have a library of books in a continuum, Jews do not. In fact Jews can hardly decode Hebrew without the aid of Greek. For thousands of years, the only existing bible was the Greek one. Good show. Your own oldest book sources from the 4th AD(Masoretes), the Dead Sea Scrolls do not count, because you didn't have them in your possession.
Only Chinese literature is comparable in terms of continuity.
I said the Jews are 4000 years old - with proof which is superior to yours. However, the point of discusion was not about peoples but their works.
You are confusing myself with your own, get real. I have given you real evidence, you have given nothing other than your religious fanaticism.
I stand by this.
Religious fanaticism.
Compri?
Just because Jews are religious fanatics that make every single book they produce into official doctrine, does not change anything. Greeks are not religious fanatics and their array of works is far superior both in content(having books on science, math, astronomy, morality, politics, economics, history, art and so on) and in continuity.
My position is easy to KO - but not thus far.
Religious fanaticism once again.
Must I repeat mysel to kingdom come: please show us a Greek/Roman law, state it, show us it is active in any Christian/European/West institution. I gave you a good listing of Hebrew laws - all active today. There are no Greek/Roman laws active today - these have been unceremoniously dumped! These people - despite what is glorified by Europe - were quite depraved and brutish - many nations experienced their deeds. Thank goodness they are nigh!
You are quite evidently illiterate, that certain laws agree with biblical laws does not mean that these laws source from the bible. You prove that these laws you mentioned did not exist in Civil code of the antiquity already before we came into contact and you prove that these laws were taken from the bible instead of the Greeks, for I
have given you proof that in fact they come from Greco-Roman law. I have given you both the statement explicitly that states that all modern law sources from the Corpus Juris Civilis, an I have given you a scholarly book which deals with the subject directly. The Social and Economic History of the Roman Empire by Rostovjeff. Just because you are illiterate it is not my fault, and no do not repeat yourself until you offer equal evidence.
go check the original archives.
I have:
Eusebius the Minister of Constantine in Preparation for the Gospel wrote:To those who inquire who we Christians are and where we come from"..."We [Christians] are Greeks in blood and Greeks in conviction.
Plato was polytheistic and worshipped Zeus. Hello?
Plato was the first man to rigorously establish mathematically proof of monotheism. There is no single writing where God is referred to in the plural.
the foundation of Christianity
Irrelevant, the message that Christianity sends to the world is Hellenic, the influence she propagates is Hellenic not Judaic, the Judaic message functions as evidence for ridicule.
there is no Christianity w/o the Hebrew bible.
Irrelevant, this civilization was not built on the model of Moses but on the model of Greco-Romans as evidenced.
Western Civilization = Greco-Roman law + Greco-Roman art + Greco-Roman sport + Greco Roman science + Greco-Roman History + Greco-Roman politics + Greco-Roman alphabet and literature + Greco-Roman philosophy + (Hellenism + Judaism).
Your influence is not even an independent aspect inside the civilization we are living, and Christianity at large is not an independent aspect herself, but a submitted one to the Law of Rome as is her theology submitted to Platonism. Qualitatively we can state that the purely Hebraic influence is near to non-existant. And it is only natural, Jews were merely a conquered minority with no real civilization to speak of. They were akin to the Black people in America, who are influencing American artistic themes but you cannot in anyway describe American civilization as Black, because of the existence of a Black cultural theme integrated into society at large. Jews influenced the Greco-Roman world on a similar level and were in turn influenced on a similar level and hence why Maimonides' spiritual father is Aristotle.
Do not repeat yourself like a broken record, if you do not bring evidence to the contrary.
And as a side note, read what the Greek Teacher of Raphael and Leonardo Da Vinci wrote:
George Gemistos Plethon wrote: These are the principal doctrines that ought to be acknowledged by one who will be prudent. [1] The first of these is one about the gods: that they are. One of the gods is Zeus, the supreme sovereign, both the greatest and the best that it is possible to be. He is set over this whole order and singular in highest divinity. He is himself being in its entirety and completely ungenerated; both father and highest creator of all the other gods. His eldest child, also motherless, and second god is Poseidon. Secondary matters have been entrusted by Zeus to him as master of all the things below; and, moreover, Poseidon is the origin and creator of the heavens here. He uses the other gods as coadjutors, as brothers, all motherless supercelestials--these include both the Olympians and the Tartareans. He himself then begot from Hera, a goddess productive of the matter, other gods within the heavens, both the celestial offspring of the stars and then the chthonian offspring of the spirits who are close to us by nature. Who even in Helios, the eldest of his own children, he placed his trust as the master of the heavens here, and, moreover, Helios is the source of the mortal things in it. Nevertheless, he achieves this with Kronos, he who is one of the Tartarean Titans and their leader.
The Tartareans are different from the Olympian gods. The Olympians are the creators and rulers of the immortals in the heavens, but the Tartareans rule the mortals here; so that Kronos of the Tartareans, himself the leader of the Titans, rules over the mortal form altogether. Hera, appointed second after Poseidon among the Olympians, is the creator and ruler of the highest matter, itself indestructible. She did this for the things made with Poseidon himself. Poseidon himself rules the entire form of both the immortal and the mortal. He is the master in the universe. He himself has truly ordained the whole order. Since Zeus, alone in the singularity of his highest divinity, rules apart over the universe.(27) Let this then be the first doctrine that one is to understand and believe.
[2] Next that these gods provide for us. On the one hand, they grasp hold of themselves immediately, on the other, they through themselves grasp those inferior, and all are entirely set right according to the laws of Zeus. [3] Next that they are not responsible for any of the evils, neither to any other in the universe nor to us, however, they themselves are most responsible for the good things. [4] And in addition to these things, that by an unalterable and inexorable destiny proceeding from Zeus, each effects its purpose in accordance with the best. These are the doctrines concerning the gods.
[5] Concerning the universe, first that this universe is eternal. Both the second ranking and the third ranking gods are in it. This universe was begotten by Zeus; it was neither begun in time nor will it come to an end. [6] Next that from the many universes it was joined into a unity. [7] Next that the best out of those possible has been made, precisely because it was made by the particularly best being. Once it had been made, it was such that nothing had been left out and anything added to it would be excessive. [8] In addition to these things, that just as it was set down in this form so it shall always be preserved undisturbed. These then are the doctrines about the universe.
[9] Concerning we ourselves, first that our soul, being of like kind to the gods, is immortal and remains in this universe the whole time and is eternal. [10] Next that the soul is sent down for the purpose of partaking in a mortal body here each time by the gods, at one time in one body, at another in another, on account of the harmony of the universe. That, even though we have a share in mortal things, one thing in us is from the immortals and this is our form. In this way, the universe itself is united to itself. [11] Next that the good is in us, naturally by our ties to the gods, and this is the fit end of life. [12] In addition to all this, that our happiness is in our immortal part, put there by the gods who unite our kind, and that is the substance and most important part of man.
These then, twelve altogether, are the principal doctrines concerning the gods, this universe, and our nature. If one, motivated by prudence about considerations of what is necessary, will also really be prudent, then one ought to acknowledge and be mindful of these things.(28)
Another thing you should be told so that you do not celebrate your ignorance in public that much is that Greeks were also the first to establish universal elementary education as well as the first University in the world(that of Constantinople) to
both genders. The important thing here is that Homer's Odyssey and Iliad have been compulsory subjects in elementary education from the antiquity right through the Middle-Ages and they are currently compulsory still in modern Greece and the majority of the EU as well.
And I repeat, ancient Greek religion is an organic religion, not an organization. Ofc I do not expect from a religious fanatic like yourself to understand the difference, but who knows. Maybe you do but you are too fake to admit it in public in consistence with Jewish nationalists from the antiquity.
EN EL ED EM ON
...take your common sense with you, and leave your prejudices behind...