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I dont just mean black people who converted to judaism, i mean genetically related to jews who fled isreal. I was researching my tribal roots, i am igbo and i was wondering why my tribe practiced male circumscision prior to christianity and i also found out that even our religious practices, where similiar to judeo-christian ones. Like the fact that we believe there is one god called chukwu, who created all things and man included. There are also some minor gods, who chukwu created to help him guide man, these could be interpreted as ark angels and according to our customs where to be thanked and not worshipped and finally every one had a chi, a gaurdian spirit given to you by chukwu to guide you and protect you, this could be gaurdian angels that where mentioned in the bible. I asked my parents and was told that a lot of igbos believe that we where descended from jews and also our language has some similiarities with the lemba or lembe people of kenya who also believe themselves to be jews.

i found this on wikipedia, what are your thoughts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Jews
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By Pants-of-dog
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The Queen of Sheba converted to Judaism at Solomon's behest, if I recall correctly.
By Zyx
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How did you find your tribal roots, hunter10?

On the question of Jews, I'd tell most to look into Ausar-Mesh. Therein the complete story could be understood. On the issue of converts, however, it's well-known that the European Jew is the convert.
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By danholo
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"It's well known." I wonder who agrees with you on this truth, Zyx. For the record though, it doesn't really matter anyway. I'll leave you with the racialist thinking.
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By Stormsmith
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I remember reading about the air lifts of African Jews to Isreal. I think Leon Uris mentioned something about African Jews in Exodus (1958). I am familiar with the story of the Queen of Sheba and Solomon.

For the record, early Jewish tradition was polytheistic. I mention this as you referenced "lesser Gods". Sophia was one. In some accounts she was the architect of the physical world, in others she represents wisdom, another cites her as Mrs God.

Also... In the Jewish tradition, I think I read that the name Cohen (cohn, etc) were some how considered to be the stuff of Rabbis. I'm thinking there was a DNA study done, and it was determined this priestly class was well represented in Africa, in its length and breadth.

Sadly for you I have the memory of a goldfish, and no time tonight to sort through the picture puzzle pieces of the stories that I still retain, but it might jar someone else's memory.
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By danholo
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Early Jewish culture wasn't "polytheistic". The whole world was polytheistic, and it wasn't unheard of for people of different tribes to "indulge" in the customs of others. The "Cohens" are priests, not Rabbis.
By Rich
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danholo wrote:Early Jewish culture wasn't "polytheistic".

It most certainly wasn't. Yahweh was one of the sons of El, the most high, before he and El were merged. The Bible clearly shows stages of Polytheism and Monolatory.
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By Xotica
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I remember reading about the air lifts of African Jews to Isreal.

Due to persecutions, Israel air-lifted and rescued around 18,000 Falasha.
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By danholo
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It most certainly wasn't. Yahweh was one of the sons of El, the most high, before he and El were merged. The Bible clearly shows stages of Polytheism and Monolatory.


Oh yeah... I mean, ehm, the Hebrew religion wasn't while Hebrew culture was. Religion was the entertainment of that time anyway. Some of those fetishes were probably just action figures. "Look, man, I just got the newest Lotan and Qadeshtu!"
By IamJoseph
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Due to persecutions, Israel air-lifted and rescued around 18,000 Falasha.



Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel, had four wives [three by default], and one was dark skinned. The 12 sons of Jacob, which became the tribes of Israel, would have thus been a mixed bag of skin colors and ethnicities. This predates the queen of Ethiopia and King Solomon affair which is said to have had an offspring. Of interest, Abraham's wife Sarah was blonde ['fair to look at'/Genesis], and was the first recorded fair haired person that visited Egypt - she caused a sensation and was abducted and taken to the Pharoah as a potential concubine. The Pharoah released her when learning she was the wife of Abraham, and gave them his daughter as a gift, which was a common practice in those times as a pledge of peace. The ancient Egyptians were dark skinned, from Ham, one of Noah's sons.
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African jews are found exclusively in East Africa. The lemba people claimed for years that they were jewish but their claims were dismissed as fantasy until DNA evidence showed that they were indeed descendants from Jewish tribes in modern day Yemen. There are also Jews in Ethiopia descended from Yemeni Jews.

I think it extremely unlikely that the Igbo are descended from jews.
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According to Ze'ev Herzog early Hebrew religion was politheistic. This is also mentioned by Johnson. The Ethiopian Falashas flown to Israel have no genetic links to Semitic haplogroups. Apparently the Buba clan of the Lembas has cohanim sequences.

The Ashkenazi DNA is really mixed, the mitochondrial DNA is European, a lot of the Y-DNA is R1a in common with Eastern Europeans. Sephardim tend to have more Semitic DNA. As more data is gathered the maps have to be redrawn. For example the Punjab Bramins are R1, that is "European". Or maybe both Europeans and Brahmin are descended from Nouristanis.?...

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