[mikema63]

Fair enough, you're alright then.

Yeah, they fit great.

[Rei Murasame]

Wait, you own some of them?

Burn them immediately. Burn them now.

[Decky]

Aren't fancy gentlemen higher than women in the hierarchy of knowing about fashion?

[Potemkin]

Oh, I agree. But I am talking about agitation, propaganda (in a good way not the negative connotation the word has) etc not enforcement. Anyhow patriarchy negatively affects "young men" too not so much in developed world, I guess. And yeah I do disagree completely with PoD's pov in here.

Propaganda and agitation are absolutely necessary, but they are about persuading people of the truth or even just the value of certain ideas. They are not about attempting to 'brainwash' people (which is impossible anyway). To this end, even logic and reason itself has rhetorical power, and almost all good propaganda has its basis in human reason and logic. The best way of 'liberating' women from patriarchal oppression is to encourage them to think for themselves. Hopefully, they will then liberate themselves, because nobody else can do that for them.

[Rei Murasame]

Aren't fancy gentlemen higher in women in the hierarchy of knowing about fashion?

Maybe, but he's definitely wrong on this one, I think.

Skinny jeans are like iPhones, ubiquitous but also bad.

[layman]

The Guardian is just the centre left version of the Daily Mail. It's so bad it makes even the Independent look palatable and that takes some doing.

The opinion pieces are on par. However, the hard news section is far superior in the guardian so you are a little unfair. It is also better than the telegraph in that respect if I am honest.

Both are worth reading just to make ourselves feel less stupid. Bare in mind many of them are effectively trolling for clicks and kicks.

[Decky]

Hardly much of an accolade. The Torygraph was already at the bottom of the barrel and them somehow it smashed through the bottom of the barrel to find a whole new barrel underneath and sunk to the bottom of that.

[Rei Murasame]

Both are worth reading just to make ourselves feel less stupid.

Also this.

But that's what I was getting at when I referred to 'reading the Guardian for the laughs'.

Hardly much of an accolade. The Torygraph was already at the bottom of the barrel and them somehow it smashed through the bottom of the barrel to find a whole new barrel underneath and sunk to the bottom of that.

There is still lower that it can go though. It could end up like the Daily Express, which smashed through that barrel, poured itself onto a sea of diseased rats which then leaped into a rank sewer.

[Decky]

Since they took tits out of the Sun I have noticed you see the Daily Sport more often in site canteens. I doubt you will have ever been exposed to that publication.

And the express is just the Mail but for pensioners.

[mikema63]

That was also a joke.

I wear classic and straight cut.

[Decky]

No assless leather chaps?

[layman]

The guardian is more dangerous because they want to turn us into Sweden.

The daily mail is mainly about popularism and sensationalism.

[Decky]

The Guardian couldn't turn us into anything. Have you seen it's circulation? Also take into account that if you removed London sales then even that figure would probably go down by 90%.

[Rei Murasame]

Since they took tits out of the Sun I have noticed you see the Daily Sport more often in site canteens. I doubt you will have ever been exposed to that publication.

I've literally never even heard of it until just now. I assume that it's absolutely terrible though.

[Decky]

The thing is, it's only published once a week on Sunday since it ran out of money so people must buy it at the weekend to bring it in.

I once saw someone reading the times in the canteen last year, that was a mindfuck and another time someone who wasn't me was reading a book.

[Rich]

I fail to follow your reasoning, fuser. The liberation of the working class, ultimately, can only be the work of the working class itself. Any attempt to impose communism on the working classes against their own will would - especially if successful - be merely one more imposed tyranny upon them by those who claim to be their 'superiors'. It would be a 'liberation' which would automatically negate itself.

The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own efforts, is able to develop only trade union consciousness, i.e., the conviction that it is necessary to combine in unions, fight the employers and strive to compel the government to pass necessary labour legislation, etc. The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical and economic theories that were elaborated by the educated representatives of the propertied classes, the intellectuals ........

The spontaneous working class movement by itself is able to create (and inevitably creates) only trade unionism, and working class trade unionist politics are precisely working class bourgeois politics

[Potemkin]

And Lenin was absolutely correct about that, as the developed world around us currently shows all too clearly. Hence the need for bourgeois and petty-bourgeois intellectuals to point out certain salient facts about the world to the working class, and to try to raise their level of consciousness beyond trade union consciousness. Did I claim otherwise? I was merely pointing out that there is a difference between revolutionary vanguardism and Blanquism. Lenin (and I regard myself as a Leninist) was in favour of vanguardism, but opposed Blanquism.

[Pants-of-dog]

And to tie it back to the topic, the intellectual theories that help form feminist video game subcultures may well be fleshed out by intellectuals such as academics.

But like the socialist intellectuals who base their theories on the actual experiences of the proletariat, these academics would also have to base their theories on the actual experiences of female gamers and female game developers.

[Dagoth Ur]

@pote: I don't get your disagreement with what I said. I very much want women to think for themselves which things like women's magazines and other current organs of our culture are designed to prevent (not that men's publications are meant to be very insightful or thought-provoking either). I never once said anything about how people should think, rather I want to remove those tools which are used to conform people to our modern society (or at least put them in the hands of the people).

[The Sabbaticus]

And to tie it back to the topic, the intellectual theories that help form feminist video game subcultures may well be fleshed out by intellectuals such as academics.

But like the socialist intellectuals who base their theories on the actual experiences of the proletariat, these academics would also have to base their theories on the actual experiences of female gamers and female game developers.

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