[Pants-of-dog]

Nope! Last try?

[mikema63]

How long have you two been arguing about this?

[Pants-of-dog]

You kids with your short attention spans.

Get off my lawn! Turn that music down!

[Drlee]

POD Wins. He had the last post.

POD =


And a synopsis of the losing position held by TTP.

Twelve million words ending with:

[Whocares386]

Also there is a one of the the most underrated problems for humanity and our Earth. It is irregular human population. Especially world leaders and other politicians have to care that problem and listen advices from scientists otherwise we might be destroyed poorly.

You should read that article:

http://thinkandsay.net/population-incre ... lications/

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I don't know what all this scribbling is about, but I declare it a conspiracy theory just like global warming.

[Hawking]

But to what extent, if any, is it anthropogenic?

http://e360.yale.edu/digest/scientists- ... ate-change

Apparently the change is happening 170 times faster than if we were not here

[Hawking]

A bit more.........I meant Armageddon of course. And no, I don't see it that way.

We won't continue to burn fossil fuels. They are a finite resource. We will run out sooner or later. So that, as a source of CO2, will cease.
Renewable energy sources exist such as wind and solar. These suffer from being on availibility and we have on demend expectations. Energy storage could take up the slack - if we had at utility scale levels. We are not remotely close to that. Yet. But developments continue.

Then there is hydroelectric. It has been around for more than a century and, in recent decades, on a grand scale. Itaipu, Three Gorges to mention but a couple. And Norway is more than 90% hydroelectric despite being in the top 15 oil producers. One advantage Hydro has is energy storage - all that water behind that damn dam......
Of course, it needs the topography and the rivers.

The rising sea levels - well, we're not looking at a step change. People will move. We are adaptable.

Incorrect with regard to storage capacity. Elon Musk's Tesla is deploying cost effective technology to Walmart

http://fortune.com/2015/04/22/teslas-batteries-walmart/

[Besoeker]

Incorrect with regard to storage capacity. Elon Musk's Tesla is deploying cost effective technology to Walmart

http://fortune.com/2015/04/22/teslas-batteries-walmart/

Get real. That is nothing like remotely close to utility scale storage.

[Besoeker]

Global warming is a farce and is only a scare tactic to get people to believe that Geoengineering would be needed.

Have you considered rate of change?

[Eauz]

Global warming agenda is part of the U.N. Agenda 21. It's just another attempt to control people. Something that has been occurring for millennia.

[Hindsite]

The federal government’s Fourth National Climate Assessment, released on Friday, has gained praise from leftists and left-wing environmental groups as a dire warning of the coming death and destruction in the United States if we don’t stop global warming.

But critics of the report, including scientists, have slammed it as “exaggeration,” bad science and even said its conclusions are “false.”

“This latest climate report is just more of the same – except for even greater exaggeration, worse science, and added interference in the political process by unelected, self-serving bureaucrats,” Tim Huelskamp, president of the Heartland Institute said in statements released by the free-market think tank following the report’s release.

“With a new volume out in December, The Heartland Institute has published 4,000 pages of the Climate Change Reconsidered series by the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), Huelskamp said. “Those reports cite many hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers that show how every conclusion of this latest government report [is] false.”

“This report from the climate alarmist Deep State in our government is even more hysterical than some United Nations reports,” Huelskamp noted. “The idea that global temperatures could rise as much as 12 degrees in the next 80 years is absurd and not a shred of actual data and observation supports that.”

“This report is a scientific embarrassment,” Jay Lehr, science director at the Heartland Institute, said. “Not only does it rely on computer models to predict the climate through the end of the century, it relies on computer models from five years ago that have been laughably wrong, failing to get even close to reality since 2013.”

Lehr said the report is filled with “blatantly absurd conclusions” designed to put more money and power into the hands of the United Nations.

“President Trump was required by law to release this report, but he is not required to take it seriously – and he surely will not,” Huelskamp said. “To do so would undermine his sensible, deregulatory agenda and restart the war on fossil fuels.”

“Happily, President Trump has on his advisory staff Dr. William Harper [of Princeton University], who knows how flawed these models are and will advise the president to not base a single aspect of U.S. policy upon them,” Lehr said.

“This is the Deep State run amok,” James Taylor, a senior fellow on environment and energy policy at Heartland, said. “The Trump administration needs to root out the embedded leftists who are responsible for this one-sided propaganda report that is even less credible than Al Gore.”

“The left has already politicized the science, and President Trump has every right to populate the executive branch agencies that produced this report with climate realists,” Taylor said.

Lehr and 18 reputable scientists wrote a 54-page critique of the Global Change Research Program’s 2017 report, which was similarly alarmist, according to Heartland.

[Sivad]

[Pants-of-dog]

@Sivad

Do you tink Creationists have a good grasp of science?

[Sivad]

@Sivad

Do you tink Creationists have a good grasp of science?

What do his religious views have to do with his grasp of the science? He grasps the science better than you ever will.

[Pants-of-dog]

What do his religious views have to do with his grasp of the science?

Well, they contradict science.

Thus, he openly espouses dogmatic views that are directly opposed to rigourous examination of facts.

He has also received money from fossil fuel industries. Do you think it is possible that he supports certain stances because of this economic backing?

He grasps the science better than you ever will.

Well, then it should be easy to explain how he is right and I am wrong.

[Sivad]

Well, they contradict science.

I don't know what his views are specifically but creationism is perfectly compatible with the data. Francis Collins is a creationist.

Thus, he openly espouses dogmatic views that are directly opposed to rigourous examination of facts.

So do you, does that make you incompetent at what you do for a living?

Do you think it is possible that he supports certain stances because of this economic backing?

That's a problem in general with all scientists.

Well, then it should be easy to explain how he is right and I am wrong.

Right about what? Wrong about what?

[Hindsite]

What do his religious views have to do with his grasp of the science? He grasps the science better than you ever will.

The crazy liberals don't believe scientists can believe in the God of creation and do real science at the same time. That would be an oxymoron in their opinion.

[Sivad]

The crazy liberals don't believe scientists can believe in the God of creation and do real science at the same time. That would be an oxymoron in their opinion.

All scientists bring their ideological baggage into their work to some extent, the liberals just have an idiotic double standard. Jerry Coyne is a militant atheist and nobody questions his professional competency. Atheistic materialism is just as kooky as any religious fundamentalism so science is overflowing with quasi-religious metaphysical cranks.

[One Degree]

Our ecosystem included many methods of limiting our numbers. We gradually overcame them with technology and congratulate ourselves on our exponential growth. We now worry we have damaged the ecosystem? Duh.
We look at every solution except the obvious...
Limit our friggin’ numbers. We are out of balance.