redcarpet wrote:Why are the ice caps melting, dear deniers? And WHY is the temperature of the world at it's highest since records began? WHY are sea levels rising?
Ice caps contract in the summer and expand in the winder. Temperature is not the highest since records began. We've actually seen cooling over the last few years.
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Sea level is rising about an 1/8th of an inch a year. Not a big deal. Bruges, Belgium used to be a sea port when sea levels were higher.
Pants-of-dog wrote:2. Models are not instruments and cannot be tested for accuracy and reliability in the same way as instruments have.
Models can make a forecast--as the IPCC models have--and the results can be tested against actual results. IPCC models do not walk forward well. They consistently dramatically over-estimate warming and do not account for cooling trends. We saw temperatures peak in 1998, and we've seen cooling over the last few years.
Pants-of-dog wrote:3. I have already addressed your idea that the models have not been around long enough to be verified as reliable and accurate.
That is why we should not rush to overthrow economic progress just to satisfy a bunch of bed wetters freaking out about an imagined climate apocalypse.
Sivad wrote:I'd be willing to consider carbon taxes if the assholes pushing them put their money where their mouth is. Let's start with a 1000% tax on all conspicuous consumption. You want to buy a private jet or yacht, 1000% tax. You want to have a a 5,000 square foot second home, 1000% tax. You want to own a high end sports car, 1000% tax. When these fuckers are gonna feel the pinch as much as the working class then I'll be willing to consider their carbon taxes, until then, they can get fucked.
Some yachts are sail powered, and diesel engines are generally pretty efficient. Jets are incredibly inefficient unless you pack them full of people and price fuel per mile per person. Private jets are incredibly inefficient. I have a 3150 sq. ft. house, and I already have 30 solar panels. I'm up or down $100 at the end of a year, and my overage usually covers most of my gas bill too. That's why you have to be careful about "tax the rich," as those taxes almost always fall on the working and middle classes. Tax credits for solar panels are a scam for the rich. I do it because I know it's a scam and I don't have to pay much cap-and-trade if I go solar. Besides, I like to keep my house at 74 in the summer time.
Sivad wrote:If any of these jokers were serious about climate change they'd be talking about taxing the profits of the carbon economy and not vital necessities like fuel.
If they were serious, they would be applauding Trump's tariffs on Chinese goods. China is the world's biggest polluter by far. When you see the inconsistencies in arguments, it becomes pretty clear that there is a lot more going on here than concern for the environment.
Drlee wrote:And in the end, it is the working class which is going to get fucked either way.
That is the truth. They are also starting to get the picture.
Drlee wrote:I see that you are finally admitting that you favor a carbon tax which would indicate to the casual observer that you believe the climate models and warnings may be true.
I think they are complete horseshit. Yet, I am probably the "greenest" person on PoFo because I can do math (incidentally why I'm skeptical of the models too). 27 cents a kilowatt hour for tier 1. Get into the higher tiers, as I do, they charge you $0.44 cents a kilowatt hour. Fuck that! Even Hawaii is cheaper than that.
https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/ ... DS_E-1.pdf
Cap-and-trade is a scam folks. It's just a scheme to turn bulk pricing on its head.
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