[yiwahikanak]

Get over yourself, KFlint. This isn't some sort of spaghetti western show down. If you have a problem with me, deal with it. Your continued threats are laughable. "There will be an accounting!"

[The Clockwork Rat]

Rub a dub dub, men and women in a tub.

Whatever shall we do?

Report and oppress!

[QatzelOk]

QatzelOk, in order for that analogy to work, you would have to show that war was MEANT to oppress women and children.

No I don't.

I just have to demonstrate that the oppression and suffering of women is a predictable consequence of every war, that our leaders have access to history books that show this, and that they just don't care.

That our media promotes some wars (like in Afghanistan) as being somehow "feminist" demonstrates how little our elite care about women or the truth. They just say what they have to to get their wars of predation off the ground.

War is always terrible for women and minorities. Perhaps the reason Kurdistan needs a new country now is because the tramautized mess of Iraq will predictably end in their holocaust. Wars do those kinds of things as well. It's predictable, and thus, was part of our elite's scheming: "How can we hide the atrocities that our wars will cause?" "Mass media spin."

[yiwahikanak]

That our media promotes some wars (like in Afghanistan) as being somehow "feminist" demonstrates how little our elite care about women or the truth. They just say what they have to to get their wars of predation off the ground.

I agree with this.

If you are saying that the elites have learned how to use the rhetoric of gender equity to further and cynically promote the status quo, then I also agree with that. The smart bigots have learned to appeal to values of equality while they at the same time actually reject real equality.

When that piece came out lauding the 'acceptance of women soldiers' in Afghanistan, I wanted to throw up. That sure as fuck isn't what the majority of feminists have fought for, so it being presented as 'our victory' is really something...given the extreme and legitimate concerns everyone should have with how that conflict is being carried out.

[Suska]

These aren't questions that get at the root of the matter. Go through history and you find that modern warfare is counter-productive. ...Past the bile expelling hatreds and barbed ideologies... You might just say, we're pretty damn short-sighted. Funny that between Islam and Christianity it's almost like an epic war between methods of loving women. But let's not charge off the deep end, the lies we take in were not secretly lies at their source, nor are they even very old. It was obvious, in the modern west we call it 'necessary illusions'. In the east they call it Jahiliyyah. In effect, we're gullible dumbasses, but that's not real till you invite it into your house. Imagine that, "oh hai hatred and misery, c'mon in, care for some sweet tea?" People do it every day. Here we are talking about it like it's some giant invisible panther slinking through the mind grass of the world, stalking good people. But it's got nothing - NOTHING - if it's getting turned away. That's all it takes.

"Oh hai hatred and misery, I'm sorry you can't come in."

[U184]

I just have to demonstrate that the oppression and suffering of women is a predictable consequence of every war, that our leaders have access to history books that show this, and that they just don't care.~ That our media promotes some wars (like in Afghanistan) as being somehow "feminist" demonstrates how little our elite care about women or the truth. ~ They just say what they have to to get their wars of predation off the ground. War is always terrible for women and minorities. Perhaps the reason Kurdistan needs a new country now is because the tramautized mess of Iraq will predictably end in their holocaust. Wars do those kinds of things as well. It's predictable, and thus, was part of our elite's scheming: "How can we hide the atrocities that our wars will cause?" "Mass media spin."

Then one could fairly say that a Country, having currency as a means to acquire staples and other items, has the predictable consequence of inflicting suffering and is an oppressive tactic.

I could conclude from your points then, that the Government and the Military themselves are the cause for these problems. Here when I say this, I do not mean their actions, but their very existence encourages oppressive tactics.

The Government would be doing so, in allowing an open free market and by using a structure that utilizes a system that demands work in exchange for compensation and benefits. The Military just by existing creates and propagates the existence of the alpha predatory male.

Would having just females make up the government, or as soldiers change this? Or is the problem a breakdown of the system, rather than a gender based defect?

[Thompson_NCL]

Slightly off-topic, but altogether hilarious!

[yiwahikanak]

[Dave]

Misogyny seems to mean any disagreement with the feminist program...

Not for women in combat? Misogynist.

Not for no-fault divorce? Misogynist.

Not for free birth control? Misogynist.

[yiwahikanak]

Misogyny seems to mean any disagreement with the feminist program...

Not for women in combat? Misogynist.

Not for no-fault divorce? Misogynist.

Not for free birth control? Misogynist.

Strawfeminists make the tastiest feminists of all!

[Sephardi]

So yiwahikanak I have some turkey, roast beef, mayo, lettuce, and some sliced breadz here.

What do?

[Dave]

Strawfeminists make the tastiest feminists of all!

I have been called a misogynist for all of these reasons...

What is your definition of misogyny?

[Pants-of-dog]

So, do people ever pick up women by telling misogynist jokes?

Because it seems like a good way to never get laid again.

[Sephardi]

Yes because everybody knows that if you tell misogynist jokes over the internet, you'll never get laid again.

Internet, serious business.

[The Clockwork Rat]

So, do people ever pick up women by telling misogynist jokes?

Yes. I also know women who tell misogynist jokes, but I suspect they're aware of the ridiculousness and are saying them ironically.

[Dave]

It's effective provided you're not actually mean-spirited, which women can tell since they are much better readers of emotion and body language. Pedestalizing women is a one-way ticket to involuntary celibacy.

[Oxymoron]

I actually did that ones, it didnt go over very well

[Donna]

Dave, you are a misogynist. What's the problem?