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By Rich
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Of course women should be able to breast feed their babies in public. Unfortunately Conservatism can't be wished away. If the majority of the population wants a rule you have to accept it. If the majority of the population think that Jews should be forced to wear Stars of David, you have to accept it no matter how much we Liberals disagree.

I don't think there's anything weird about finding breast feeding sexually arousing. Although its not my particular kink I had an ex-girl friend who was well into it. A huge amount of sexuality is socially constructed. If you took a women into a pre contact south America Amazonian tribe and got her to wander about in nothing but high heels, stockings and a suspender belt, there's no reason to think that any of them would find anything particularly sexual about it. But if a woman walked about like that in a Britain or American town centre walked about in that attire, no doubt Conservative busy bodies would be up in arms. Why can't Conservatives keep their fucking noses out of other peoples business?
By Pants-of-dog
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AnnoyingConservative wrote:Just regular baby bottles. Nothing special.


Plastic ones? Glass ones?
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By yiwahikanak
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Neither of my daughters would drink from bottles. Trust me, it would have been much easier if they had. I expressed milk many times and tried to get them to take the bottle, but it never worked. It wasn't an option for me. Though thank fucking god because expressing milk is more time consuming than actually breastfeeding, it hurts, and it's messy as hell. What an awful thing to have to do.
By stneotser
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Well, this is just my own opinion and experience, but I found that my daughter had more difficulty latching on to the breast after using a couple of bottles in succession. I didn't like using bottles that much and also used a sling. Most normal people look away if you are breast feeding in public and I don't remember too much bother with it. I never found it necessary to do it in a restaurant as I never really went out for extended lengths of time.
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By El Gilroy
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Excuse me while I vent my puzzlement.

What the F is people's problem with tits?
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By yiwahikanak
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Well when people discuss this topic they will use emotive imagery like, "do you really have to whip out your tit?" Because that's what women do. They stand in the middle of a room, clear their throats, pull up their shirt and pop their tits out and start lactating all over the place.
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By El Gilroy
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Oh no, the Horror :|
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By yiwahikanak
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It could get in your eye.
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By El Gilroy
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Oh no, the pain :|
By AnnoyingConservative
#13632570
*turns the maturity level back to up ten*

Right, back on subject.

Why can't a business make a rule against breastfeeding? Maybe the owner doesn't feel like it should be done within their walls. It could go with a 'no shirt, no shoes, no business' rule because it requires shirts to be almost entirely removed.
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By El Gilroy
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AnnoyingConservative wrote:*turns the maturity level back to up ten*

"Ten" as in "I'm ten years old and think breasts are disgusting"?
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By Rei Murasame
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The question here is really one of whether we are aiming for a pro-child and pro-woman society, or if we are not.

I may be repeating what I said on page one, but it's my view that businesses should not be able to apply any rules that attack the safe and normal practices like breastfeeding.

A lot of people often talk about 'a culture of life', well there are two versions of the culture of life and I cannot understand that one that would allow people to make rules against an obviously life-affirming practice.

AnnoyingConservative wrote:Maybe the owner doesn't feel like it should be done within their walls.

But isn't that owner wrong?
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By yiwahikanak
#13632688
Well some people think it would be all right if business owners decided to ban blacks, disabled folks, blondes, or Albanians.
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By El Gilroy
#13632692
Well, come on. Blondes? Nobody wants those in a respectable business.

Since postnatal abortion is a little rough even for my tastes, I think once the child is out, it can just as well be raised in a natural way. Close to natural, anyways. So breastfeed away, girls!
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By yiwahikanak
#13632693
Stop trying to oppress me with your breastfeeding agenda!
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By El Gilroy
#13633637
Silence! Or we shall tie you to the teat totem!
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By The Clockwork Rat
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The Guardian wrote:Michelle Obama's breastfeed plan attacked by Tea Party's leading ladies

Michelle Obama's campaign to encourage breastfeeding among American mothers has become the unlikely focus of an attack by two prominent rightwing politicians.

Tea Party favourites Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann have used Obama's breastfeeding drive as a stick with which to beat her.

Bachmann began the onslaught by ridiculing the first lady's support for this week's decision to award tax breaks to mothers for the cost of breast pumps.

"I've given birth to five babies and I breastfed every single one of these babies," she told the conservative Laura Ingraham's radio talkshow. "To think that government has to go out and buy my breast pump for my babies. You wanna talk about the nanny state? I think we just got the new definition of nanny."

Palin waded in during an event with business leaders in Long Island. "It's no wonder Michelle Obama is telling everybody you better breastfeed your baby," she quipped. "Yeah, you better – because the price of milk is so high right now!"

The White House hit back with a comment from the first lady's office: "Breastfeeding is a very personal choice for every woman, and we are trying to make it easier for those who choose to do it."

Obama's interest in breastfeeding is an extension of her effort to reduce obesity levels among children. The campaign has helped foster initiatives from her husband's administration to remove barriers to breastfeeding, including legislation that obliges some employers to provide time and dedicated spaces for women workers to nurse their children in private.

Breastfeeding is said to give protection against allergies, asthma and other ailments and is considered beneficial in America's fight against soaring youth obesity.

Obesity is especially prevalent in African American families, who also have lower rates of breastfeeding: 40% of African American babies never receive any breast milk, even in the first days of life.

In the past 30 years, obesity levels among US children have tripled and now almost one in three are overweight or obese. The trend has led to a diabetes epidemic.

A recent study from Harvard Medical School estimated that if the rate of breastfeeding in US families could be raised to 90% for six months after birth, 900 infant deaths per year would be prevented and $13bn (£8bn) saved in medical fees and other economic impacts.

At current levels, about 75% of American mothers begin breastfeeding, but the figure drops to 43% by the time the baby is six months old.

Palin's jibe at Obama is particularly puzzling given her own record in politics. MediaMatters, a misinformation monitoring website, pointed out that when she was governor of Alaska she introduced a breastfeeding awareness month.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... ing-attack

This is interesting with respect to the discussion had so far. On one hand we have the promotion of using breast milk in general, but on the other, it highlights the evident prudishness of society that rather than giving tax breaks to women who breastfeed in general, the tax breaks would be given to women who use breast pumps. It promotes the concept of health, of doing more to help children, but within the bounds of removing the public visibility of mother-infant bonding.

Palin's response of course, is ignorably ignorant and stupid.
By AnnoyingConservative
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The White House hit back with a comment from the first lady's office: "Breastfeeding is a very personal choice for every woman, and we are trying to make it easier for those who choose to do it."


I don't think you can make it any easier than it is now.

Step one: Reveal breast
Step two: attach baby

DONE! You are breastfeeding unless the baby doesn't like it. And it's free so why do mothers need a tax cut for breastfeeding? They are saving money by not buying formulas.

Then again, I have advocated tax breaks for people who recycle...

Palin waded in during an event with business leaders in Long Island. "It's no wonder Michelle Obama is telling everybody you better breastfeed your baby," she quipped. "Yeah, you better – because the price of milk is so high right now!"


It's things like this that makes me hope that she doesn't become President. (shocker?) She didn't word that correctly but isn't completely wrong. Michelle is advocating a 'nudge' by promoting breastfeeding with money. This gives the appearance that we need to be payed to want to breast feed our children.

Bachmann began the onslaught by ridiculing the first lady's support for this week's decision to award tax breaks to mothers for the cost of breast pumps.


Wait... null everything I just said. This isn't about breastfeeding but about buying breast pumps? I thought those hurt women? At least from what I was told by you folks.

Breastfeeding is said to give protection against allergies, asthma and other ailments and is considered beneficial in America's fight against soaring youth obesity.


Breastfeeding fights against obesity? I don't know about that.

Palin's jibe at Obama is particularly puzzling given her own record in politics. MediaMatters, a misinformation monitoring website, pointed out that when she was governor of Alaska she introduced a breastfeeding awareness month.


*Laughs at the MediaMatters part* Anyway, she isn't against breastfeeding. She's against paying people for buying breast pumps because it sends a weird message that mothers need to be payed to do something good for their child.
By AnnoyingConservative
#13634458
In other words, the entire article is a clusterfuck. Mrs Obama is going about promotion of breast-feeding in the wrong way, and the opposition is simply knee-jerk reacting with no coherent or intelligent ideas.


More or less. Odd we agree, eh?

And I never heard Fox News mention anything about tax breaks from breast-pumps. Guess they are staying out of it.
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