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By One Degree
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Chicago gang members say more police won't stop the murders

By Michael Tobin
Published February 17, 2017
FoxNews.com
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Rashad Britt grew up in the Henry Horner projects on Chicago’s West Side, known for gangs and violence. He started hanging out with the members of the Vice Lords gang for safety. “Just for protection…my friends-we gotta get to school. So, we got each other’s back on the way to school,” he says. “And sometimes, that meant carrying a gun and [being] willing to use it.”
His first gun was a gift, given to him as a pre-teen. “I looked at it like that was love. I looked at it like this person loved me, for the simple fact that they wanted to see me protected. They gave me something that was going to protect my life,” he says.

Last Monday, I met with a group of street guys on the West Side. They say the gangs provided structure that their parents did not. “Half of these guys don’t got no mom, either they was crack heads, dope fiends, boosters or something,” says a man who would only identify himself as a member of the Black Disciples. “They moms or fathers was lost to the same gang that we getting ourselves into now.”
“We more like a family than a gang… brothers,” says Kevin Gentry – associated with the Vice Lords. In the gang, someone was kind to them. Their role models sold drugs, had money, clothes cars and girlfriends. “The gangs have become family for a lot of young men here in Chicago and across the United States. They gravitate toward the guys with charisma. They gravitate toward the guys that might protect them. But they really are not protected out there. Too many people are being killed, it’s a false sense of security,” says Tio Hardiman from Violence Interrupters, a group that attempts to predict and prevent gangland shootings.
As of the 15th of February, Chicago racked up 326 shootings and 72 murders. That puts the city on the same pace as 2016, which saw the highest murder rate in decades.
VIDEO SHOWS CHICAGO GIRL'S ACCUSED KILLER BEATEN IN COURTHOUSE LOCKUP
On Saturday, 12-year-old Kanari Gentry-Bowers was on a playground in the violent West Englewood neighborhood when she was struck by a stray bullet. About 4 miles away, 11-year-old Takiya Holmes was hit by a stray bullet while seated in the back of a car. Both of their young lives ended.
On Valentine’s Day, a pregnant woman – who is unidentified – began streaming video with her phone on Facebook Live. Her boyfriend, Lazarek Collins, was in the passenger seat and his 2-year-old nephew Lavontay White was in the back.
Collins was a documented gang member. It is believed the bullets were meant for him. However, when Collins was killed, so was little Lavontay. The pregnant woman was shot in the stomach, but survived. Even for Chicago, a city partially numb to the violence, the senseless slaying of a 2-year-old caught on video was horrific.
Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson again called for tougher gun laws. “Enough is enough,” he said.
Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner proposed sending state troopers to Chicago. Without being specific, President Donald Trump suggested sending in the feds.
Tracy Cannon – once associated with the Vice Lords – says it won’t matter. “I don’t care how many police they bring in. It’s not going to stop, man.”
Guys on the street say law enforcement made a bad situation worse. “They locked up these gang chiefs and everything went haywire,” says Charles Winters. Large organizations like the Gangster Disciples and Vice Lords subdivided over unresolved disputes. Absent leadership, cliques within the same gang will often do battle. “Ain’t like it used to be,” says Cannon. “Back then we had structure. Older guys would make us go to school. Even though we was gang banging, we would still go to school.”
Now, it’s a bullet-ridden free for all, with gangsters trying to gain respect by proving themselves to be ruthless. “Kids only care about nice clothes, fast money and how many kills they can get,” says Britt. “When they get a certain amount of kills or when they hurt a certain amount of people, they feared. They got the fear factor going on. The kids nowadays in Chicago, that’s what they want.”
The guy from the Black Disciples says the gang is all he’s even been able to rely on and he’ll never leave gangster life. “If I live by this gun and I live by these drugs, this product that I’m selling, and I’m pushing in this neighborhood. It’s putting food on my table and food in my kids’ mouths and a roof over they heads, then I’m not going to put it down,” he says.
Others say the violent gang life is for kids. If they live into their 20s and stay out of prison some walk away and get jobs. “You just get played out man,” says Cannon. “If you ain’t rich by now, you ain’t gonna get rich selling drugs.”
Michael Tobin joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in 2001 and currently serves as a Chicago-based correspondent.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/17/ch ... rders.html


Any ideas on how to deal with the situation described here?

Edit: I also thought this might serve to give those outside the US a better view of what is really going on with the number of murders in the US.
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By Suntzu
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Identify criminals early and lock them up until they are too old to pursue their career.

Tack a federal charge of ten years onto any crime committed with a gun.
By Tewodros III
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Suntzu wrote:Identify criminals early and lock them up until they are too old to pursue their career.

Tack a federal charge of ten years onto any crime committed with a gun.


Or just ignore them and let them focus their hate into the rich white areas.
By SolarCross
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These boys are looking for two things from gangs: protection and economic sustenance, if the wider society wants them to leave that life behind then it has to give them a convincingly better offering in those two areas. This means jobs and effective policing. I say effective policing because it isn't just a matter of throwing lawbreakers in prison, but also effectively communicating why that is done and being seen to be doing not just for the sake of some law but to "serve and protect" those very same people who will be falling into gangs... tricky to do, obviously, given it is very hard for cops to arrest people without being perceived as an enemy, just another rival gang actually.
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By noemon
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Ban gun ownership and then rain down on neighbourhoods to dismantle & disarm these groups.
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By Suntzu
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Tewodros III wrote:Or just ignore them and let them focus their hate into the rich white areas.


Black criminals generally ain't too bright but they are smart enough to avoid rich White areas. :lol:
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By MistyTiger
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noemon wrote:Ban gun ownership and then rain down on neighbourhoods to dismantle & disarm these groups.


That is a very tough sell in the US. The forefathers of the US declared it a basic right to bear arms. Southern states are the strongest supporters of owning guns and or the NRA.
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By Ter
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Suntzu wrote:Black criminals generally ain't too bright but they are smart enough to avoid rich White areas. :lol:

Yes, that is so true.
Blacks shooting blacks.
It is a tragedy.
By Tewodros III
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Suntzu wrote:
Black criminals generally ain't too bright but they are smart enough to avoid rich White areas. :lol:

You think it's easy being a drug dealer or being apart of a criminal empire? Not every Black criminal is just one isolated person robbing a food store. Besides rich White areas rarely have guns, it'll be easy pickings.
Ter wrote:Yes, that is so true.
Blacks shooting blacks.
It is a tragedy.

Yep a tragedy Whites created on us. Now they get to reap the suffering.
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By One Degree
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Yep a tragedy Whites created on us. Now they get to reap the suffering.


The article does a good job of describing the situation and requires very little thought to see what an impossible situation it is. Solutions are not readily available in a democracy. Blaming whites is an easy excuse, but it solves nothing.
It appears to me we need to try to develop a much better foster home program. These neighborhoods must be broken up, like Cabrini Green was, only the children need to be placed in a safe alternative home. Demolishing Cabrini Green, resulted in the families moving to central Illinois cities and bringing their problems with them. The children need to be removed. I have no idea how to do this.
By Tewodros III
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@One Degree Destroy the capitalistic society in america, or the altshit thing and have Whites and other minorities their enclave. Either way works for me.
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By Suntzu
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Tewodros III wrote:You think it's easy being a drug dealer or being apart of a criminal empire? Not every Black criminal is just one isolated person robbing a food store. Besides rich White areas rarely have guns, it'll be easy pickings.



Yeah, rarely! The Donald has a concealed carry, Barbara Boxer has one. Everyone one I know as one including my wife and daughter. Texas has stand you ground so I don't even have to make up some cock and bull story.
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By The Sabbaticus
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The prison-industrial system isn't going to help. Gang life & recruitment continues and solidifies in the penal system. More law enforcement might help, but the underlying socio-cultural mechanisms are still churning out new gang bangers. Socio-economic deprivation should probably be addressed by increased welfare spending. Seeing that workforce participation isn't going to solve anything in the first stages.

I would probably be sending in the 'fire & brimstone' religious crazies to sort out the breakdown in families & community cohesion. Then I would increase welfare spending and community outreach programs. Then I would be rounding up all the drug addicts and force them in guarded rehab centres, under some faux legal pretext concerning 'non compos mentis' (legally insane when addicted). The object is not to cure them, but to remove them out of the community. That way, the proliferation of drugs and drug-related crime will dry up in the community. The judicial system will take at least a decade to sort out the legality of this practice, meaning the community will have a decade-long respite from the drug-malaise.

Running parallel would be work-assistance programs for employment in above-minimum wage jobs. The 'working poor' are still prone to drug addiction, bankruptcy health care scares, etc., thus they need a real income.

Addendum: I would also scuttle the prison-industrial pipeline that runs between these communities and for-profit penal institutions. Once you've been convicted of a criminal offence that falls into a certain category (e.g. violent crime), you're to be detained in a different state, and upon release you will be banned from returning to your former neighbourhood indefinitely. Each time you're caught, you'll end up in a prison one state farther than previously. Perhaps they can re-purpose Guantanamo Bay for the incorrigible die-hards.

That should nuke the whole criminal-prison cross-pollinating 'gangsta' subculture that is thriving in these ghettos. Where children are basically growing up with one foot already in a penal institution of some sort.

I would also use the religious crazies and various propaganda platforms to weed out the malevolent influence of mainstream rap & hip hop culture and BET. Deride them as 'Uncle Toms' working secretly for the prison-industrial complex or something in that regard. :excited:
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By Suntzu
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One way to improve the effectiveness of the prison system and to remove the finishing school for criminals aspect of it is to remove the social nature of the prisons. No more talking and socializing. No iron pile. No TV. Put 'em in a cell 23 hours a day. There also won't be a problem with riots, prisoner on prisoner violence, contraband, and AIDS.
By Decky
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That wouldn't lead to mental illnesses at all. Total isolation from other people for 23 hours a day for years at a time will definitely mean they will leave prison as well rounded sane individuals who will not commit any more crimes. Good idea!
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By The Sabbaticus
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They would have televisions and access to an 'intra-net' computer. :excited: I would also recommend reducing their caloric intake and prevent any 'body building' activities. The televisions would be airing non-stop religious wackiness in Clockwork Orange fashion.
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By Suntzu
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Decky wrote:That wouldn't lead to mental illnesses at all. Total isolation from other people for 23 hours a day for years at a time will definitely mean they will leave prison as well rounded sane individuals who will not commit any more crimes. Good idea!


Rehabilitation doesn't work. Make sure they are too old to commit crimes when they are released. :D
By Decky
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:roll: You might be happier in some third world shithole than a developed nation.

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