annatar1914 wrote:Earlier on another thread I posted about the ''Long Depression'' which began in the 1870's and ended in the 1890's;
Specifically 1873 to 1896. And then the Great Depression which people are more familiar with, almost now out of living memory;
Which lasted from 1929 to about 1940.
What happened to ''fix'' the problem? War and Finance Capital. Laissez-Faire or Classical Capitalism ceased to exist, is dead, cannot be brought back without ever-worsening cyclic conditions of boom and bust returning and then possibly finishing everything.
But Finance Capital has run out of tricks, fiat money injected into the economy isn't having the effects that it used to, say in 2008. Capitalism had just basically run through the monetized loot of the former Soviet Bloc by then, and the scheme of the Housing market was closing everything down... What could be done? The fiat money fix, to mask the collapse of the real world economy and buy time until war could be made to clear the books and restore real fortunes for those outside Finance Capital, the fortunes of the regular Capitalist, the Petit-Bourgeoisie.
War and Fascism was their answer. War and Fascism was decided on, just as it was in the 1930's.
This next phase will be marked by signs; tariffs and economic autarky, trade wars and new economic and political alliances. Nationalism and Populism. Wars for resources and wars for outright conquest.
@Potemkin , and @Political Interest;
So... If none of this changed, the material circumstances of anything I've mentioned on this post or even on this whole thread, why did I seem to change? Or did I on a fundamental level?
I fall upon the realization that I have every right as a Christian, by the mental lights that I have, to follow that political and socio-economic ideology which best reflects man's best efforts-as seems to me personally-to organize his social life with the common good of his fellow man in a higher regard.
If everything falls apart, then some may think to each his own and everyone for themselves, in a political and economic Autarky, but to others might it not present an opportunity to get things a little more right and good?
My earlier concerns I illustrate this way by analogy; if I have a plumbing problem, I consult plumbers. It would be nice if they were good Christian men one and all but I just want a really good plumber who knows the problems of plumbing inside and out... No truth or facts for that matter are alien to He Who is the Rational Logos Himself, so ''Plumbing'', or dropping the analogy an Anti-Capitalist critique, is not against Him at all.
Now sure, these men of the 19th and early 20th centuries who critiqued Capitalism, who were Socialist/Communists like Marx and Engels, Lenin and Stalin, they all had wonky ideas on religion and faith, and were infected with the modernist Bourgeoisie mentality of unbelief, of scientism and Darwinian evolution and ''progress'', etc... But did they know a better way of organizing modern society, politically and economically, than those who came before them?
And also, I reflect on the idea that these were ideologues and revolutionaries, dreaming and organizing for something that had little to no prior experience in reality with; being heads of a government, running a society in the real world not in theoretical terms but contact with the truth. They found out, or others found out at their own expense, where they were wrong and why.
Isn't that a bit like real political science and economics, albeit with real flesh and blood people at a real cost one way or another, both good and bad?
So there's all that.
But on the Christian side of my questioning has been the Orthodox Christian duty of obedience to earthly rulers in all things but sin, even the worst and most illegitimate heathen of rulers; Nero, Nebochadnezzer, Antiochus, all the rulers of ancient history who have been set over the people of God for mercy or for chastisement, or both. So evil men revolt, and place themselves over the people, and their socio-economic-political arrangement is to be followed, by the mystery of Divine Providence of He Who orders all things well.
The Bolsheviks did not overthrow the Tsar, who abdicated and then the monarchy was overthrown by the Provisional Government in 1917 with none to uphold it and none to claim the monarchy and fight for it as a righteous Orthodox Tsar. No, the Bolsheviks overthrew the self-proclaimed ''Provisional Government'' in favor of the ''Soviets'', the organically developed self-governing councils of the people, the laboring classes.
Much evil was done after, but men can be evil, and so while the Bolsheviks were ''Internationalists'' the Russian people rightfully fought against the Whites/Foreign Interventionists during the Russian Civil War and the Polish-Soviet War, for the survival of the Russian Nation. The Nation was Collectivized and Industrialized, much could have been avoided in sin during this time, much intrigue and terror and purges and bloodshed, godlessness and blasphemy. But survival was at stake and a renewal of the war against Russia to destroy the Russian people was inevitable.
After the Great Patriotic War, there was no question, the Soviet Union, a Union of Republics (from ''Res Publica'', the ''Common Good''....) was the ''Great Russia, welded forever to stand'', and Russia was the Soviet Union. This was in the mind of millions of good people, and that which is believed in everywhere by all cannot entirely be false... And the alien symbols of Marxist Leninism by way of the war and the struggle, were made something good and right by almost all; hammer and sickle, the red army, the scarlet banner of the Soviet Union, the fight against Fascism, in Socialism. And no examination of Marxist Leninism even as an Orthodox Christian-or even especially as an Orthodox Christian-can be right without placing it firmly and quite specifically (despite Marxist Leninism's apparent alien foreign origins) within the larger meaning of the 1000 year history and culture of the Russian and Orthodox people.
What this means for today and the future I'll have to ponder and explore later.
But man is a fickle and disreputable creature and perhaps, like a chess-player, is interested in the process of attaining his goal rather than the goal itself.