[Mujahid_X]

Because the bible is a work of fiction.

Abraham is a fictitious character.
Moses is a fictious character. The script writers of the bible got their inspiration for the flood fantasy story from other civilisations.

Egypt never enslaved mythical Israelites.


Mythical Israelites never conquered Canaan, neither did they build up a kingdom there.

Because king David is a myth.
Salomon is a mythical character, so is his mythical temple.

The promised land is a ficticious pact between God and mythical Abraham.

Yet, these lies are still used to legitimise the colonisers experiment.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

If you think that the Bible is simply a book, and that Israel's existence as a nation is tied into whether or not the Bible is simply a book, what is your solution then, since Israel is a nation state today, with decades of roots?

[JRS1]

Israel has no right to exist according to bible

Do you support this notion?

Because you seem to spend a lot of time here trying to pass as a moderate. Yet here you are pushing the final solution.

I think you might have been the one to radicalise Skinster.

[Mujahid_X]

If you think that the Bible is simply a book, and that Israel's existence as a nation is tied into whether or not the Bible is simply a book, what is your solution then, since Israel is a nation state today, with decades of roots?

Decades of roots. Indeed, glad you agree. Not centuries. Illegal Europeans, Americans,, Russians immigrants flooded Palestine, where they don't have a connection with, based on the notion that Israel was promised to them, but that pact with God is a ludacris fantasy.

[wat0n]

Because the bible is a work of fiction.

Abraham is a fictitious character.
Moses is a fictious character. The script writers of the bible got their inspiration for the flood fantasy story from other civilisations.

Egypt never enslaved mythical Israelites.

Correct if you ask minimalist biblical archaeologists.

Mythical Israelites never conquered Canaan,

Also correct if you ask the above archaeologists.

neither did they build up a kingdom there.

Because king David is a myth.

Not quite. Archaeological evidence supports the existence of both David and his kingdom

Salomon is a mythical character, so is his mythical temple.

The excavations of remains from the First Temple era are actually open to tourists if you go on a tour there with a guide.

The promised land is a ficticious pact between God and mythical Abraham.

Yet, these lies are still used to legitimise the colonisers experiment.

Secular Zionists don't appeal to the Old Testament to justify Israel's existence though. It seems ancient Israelites did exist, and so did the Kingdoms.

I also ask the same thing Bulaba asked: What do you think should be done with Israel then?

[Heinie]

The Bible cannot confer rights on anyone or any country.

[Zionist Nationalist]

So what?

Who cares about the bible? (Im atheist so I dont care)

Israel is there and you all haters get a middle finger and you can go f*** yourself if you want

Is there ever was and entity or a nation called Palestine?

No.

[oscar]

The longevity of the Israeli state will likely be dependent on it's long-term relationships with it's neighbors. They still have not resolved the problem with the Palestinians and the descendants of those displaced during Israel's creation nor have they succeeded in "settling" the issue with the West Bank inhabitants. Israel is a lightning rod of discontent in the Middle east for as long they are perceived to be persecuting a small subset (West bank muslim Semites) of the 300 million or so Arab neighbors living around them. It may take decades/centuries, but eventually demographics will rule in the land currently called Israel.

[Mujahid_X]

Israel university confirms everything I say.

That David piece you present is laughable. Boasting his victories. Haha. "Israelites" never conquered Canaan, nor Egypt.

Rabbi's are even forced to write new thora's.

Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions -- the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years -- have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity -- until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/09/books ... wanted=all

[QatzelOk]

Because the bible is a work of fiction.
...
Yet, these lies are still used to legitimise the colonisers experiment.

Worse still, the reason the bible/hadiths/torah are still in use today is exactly BECAUSE they all legitimize the power of elites. There isn't much other value to these texts.

The Federal Reserve of the USA seems to also have been granted to some Jewish guy on a mountain holding a stone tablet. Likewise Hollywood. Nice presents.

Good thing Santa Claus has Lego for the rest of us, huh?

[Potemkin]

That David piece you present is laughable. Boasting his victories. Haha. "Israelites" never conquered Canaan, nor Egypt.

Actually, that stele was made by a king of Aram-Damascus, in which he boasted about having conquered a king of Israel, "of the House of David". You've got it the wrong way around.

[Mujahid_X]

Is there ever was and entity or a nation called Palestine?

"Israelites" history is a lie. Ancient Israel as described in the fantasy book, the bible, never existed.

Yet, you are supposed to be descended from those mythical tribes. Haha.


Funny story, the invention of the jewish people. What hold you colonisers together? Zionism?

[layman]

Identities are mostly founded on thin air and abstract myths.

The israeli 'fake' identity is still much more powerful, productive and unified than the dodgy palestianian one. That is why they lost in a nutshell.

[Heisenberg]

Because king David is a myth.
Salomon is a mythical character, so is his mythical temple.

The promised land is a ficticious pact between God and mythical Abraham.

Yet, these lies are still used to legitimise the colonisers experiment.

I suppose this also strips the Qur'an of any legitimacy as well, since it makes several references to David, Abraham, Solomon, and the "Children of Israel".

[Mujahid_X]

Identities are mostly founded on thin air and abstract myths.

The israeli 'fake' identity is still much more powerful, productive and unified than the dodgy palestianian one. That is why they lost in a nutshell.

They are the indegious people who always lived there. Unlike dodgy European, American and Russian colonisers.

[wat0n]

It seems you didn't even read my source properly, right? As Potemkin said, the stele was written by the Assyrians, not the Hebrews. Other similar steles were made by the Israelites' neighbors as well.

According to minimalist biblical archaeologists, there was no Exodus or conquest of Canaan because the Israelites arose from the union of different Canaanite tribes under an unique religion (the precursor of Judaism). The Bible, then, served as one of those myths which lead to a stronger identity and legitimization of the ruling elite at the time it was written (which might have been at around the 8th century BC IIRC).

The above also means that acient Israelites were simply indigenous Canaanites who managed to absorb the other, competing, tribes. Chances are that king David's importance lies in the fact that he actually managed to arise as a charismatic leader who unified all the tribes in the area, and that the two Kingdoms arose shortly after he died and no one was able to keep all tribes together.

[Rich]

Palestine is a Sham

This is why ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām (الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام‎) was called ISIS (or DIIS): the "Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham". The so called Palestinian occupied territories were part of Sham, when it was ruled by Arabs. Palestine is just a region of Sham.

[Nets]

Things that are historical: Jewish Temples on the Temple Mount.
Things that are myth: Mohamed flying on a Pegasus to the Temple Mount before ascending to heaven to chill with Abraham and company.

Things that are historical: The Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, the Hasmonean Jewish Kingdom, etc.
Things that have never existed: A state called "Palestine".

[layman]

They are the indegious people who always lived there. Unlike dodgy European, American and Russian colonisers.

Not really.

There were barely 500,000 people in the whole of palestine in 1920. In the late 19th century there were even less.

Arabs started flocking there later on. I doubt many of todays "palestinians" have long family links to the land. The muslims world just didnt care about it and ran it into the ground.

Now the jews have it and made a success of it. Produce more success in one tiny country than all 1.5 billion muslims combined. This is why the muslims hate them so much.

[Mujahid_X]

It seems you didn't even read my source properly, right? As Potemkin said, the stele was written by the Assyrians, not the Hebrews. Other similar steles were made by the Israelites' neighbors as well.

According to minimalist biblical archaeologists, there was no Exodus or conquest of Canaan because the Israelites arose from the union of different Canaanite tribes under an unique religion (the precursor of Judaism). The Bible, then, served as one of those myths which lead to a stronger identity and legitimization of the ruling elite at the time it was written (which might have been at around the 8th century BC IIRC).

The above also means that acient Israelites were simply indigenous Canaanites who managed to absorb the other, competing, tribes. Chances are that king David's importance lies in the fact that he actually managed to arise as a charismatic leader who unified all the tribes in the area, and that the two Kingdoms arose shortly after he died and no one was able to keep all tribes together.

Maximalist bible archeologist can not even find a beltbuckle from an incredible army wich suppossedly conquerred Egypt and parts of Babylon. :D

The only real Israel kingdom started, with the Mackabees. Wich is much much later.

The zionist flag had Mackabee inscribed in hebrew on it, cause they knew all other history was horseshit.