[wat0n]

No one is saying an Israelite army conquered parts of Egypt and Babylon, Mujahid. But archaeological evidence does suggest the Israelite Kingdoms existed even if their origins and territorial extension aren't quite the same as stated in the Old Testament.

[Mujahid_X]

No they didn't excist, nor is there any archeological evidence.

Israeli universities confirm it are all myths. Union of Synagoges does as well.

[Zionist Nationalist]

There was kingdom of Israelites the only thing unknown is whatever it was an empire at some point like described in the bible or not

but the fact that the Jews lived in the region for the past 2500-3000 is true and not only according to the bible

but the fakestinians never existed and you know that

[Mujahid_X]

Some jews lived there. Wich are a small minority. But not your European ancestors.

Most Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of European women who converted to Judaism

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.551825

[Zionist Nationalist]

I dont care about that

it doesn't bother me I dont need any justifications to be here

[fuser]

There is nothing in Avesta saying that a country name Israel should exist. I thought, I should point out this important fact.

[Heinie]

... There were barely 500,000 people in the whole of palestine in 1920. In the late 19th century there were even less. ...

Your figure of barely 500,000 people in Palestine is too small. At any rate, Palestine in 1920 was overwhelmingly populated by Christian and Muslim Arabs, about 90%.

[quetzalcoatl]

This thread has no right to exist according to me. There is no justification for Israel's existence or non-existence to be found in any scripture, so why are we even debating its historical accuracy?

[Mujahid_X]

I dont care about that

it doesn't bother me I dont need any justifications to be here

Prove you even live in Israel.

[noemon]

This thread has no right to exist according to me.

Seconded, Mujahid does not even realise that he is shooting his own foot. He argues that Israel has no right to exist because according to the Bible as he claims there was no Israel there to begin with. This is a shotgun on his own face because he puts himself into a situation where if it is proven that Israel did exist back then then it follows that it has a right to exist today and since it is a fact that Israel did exist back in the day, then I don't see how he is going to dig himself out of the hole he has created for his self.

[Mujahid_X]

He argues that Israel has no right to exist because according to the Bible as he claims there was no Israel there to begin with.

Apart from this fact, I don't think the coloniser state has a right to exist on any ground.

People asked what my solution was?

Simple. Abolish the colonizing, racist apartheidstate. Free rights for everyone.

[Rich]

The existence of ancient Israel is not in doubt. It was conquered by Rome in 63bc. Its boundaries included Jerusalem, Samaria, Gaza, the West Bank most of the populous areas of pre 67 Israel and parts of Jordan and Syria.

[quetzalcoatl]

I don't think the coloniser state has a right to exist on any ground.

Then you, along with the rest of the human race, had better start packing your bags.

[Mujahid_X]

The existence of ancient Israel is not in doubt. It was conquered by Rome in 63bc.

Yes, thats the Mackabee era. No one contests this. But that's not mythical ancient Israel from the bible that's discussed here.

[quetzalcoatl]

Yes, thats the Mackabee era. No one contests this. But that's not mythical ancient Israel from the bible that's discussed here.

Okay, whatever. Why are you talking about this?

[Zionist Nationalist]

Prove you even live in Israel.

prove me that you are not an alien

[Mujahid_X]

Okay, whatever. Why are you talking about this?

Because I can. Debunk the fabricated promised land and chosen people myths.

[Nets]

Yes, thats the Mackabee era. No one contests this. But that's not mythical ancient Israel from the bible that's discussed here.

The Bible narrates hundreds of years of history, some of it more reliable than others. Yes, David and Solomon are the most memorable monarchs discussed but remember, the Deuteronomic History and Chronicles, as well as prophetic books like Jeremiah, Proto-Isaiah, etc, discuss many many Israelite Kings. Some of whom may be mythical, it is hard to tell. Some of which are very much historical. For example, the historicity of King Hezekiah of Judah is not in doubt, as he is attested to by name both biblicaly and extra-biblicaly.

The existence of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah from the 9th-8th century BC onward are basically historical consensus. David and Solomon may very well be composite characters, or fictitious, it is difficult to say. What is not in any serious historical doubt is the existence of the "Davidic" dynasty in Judah, or the Omride or Jehu dynasties in Israel. These are historical figures attested to in non-Israelite primary sources as well as archaeological evidence.

Are you seriously stating that the Kingdom of Israel (destroyed by Assyria in 722 BCE) and the Kingdom of Judah (destroyed by Babylonia between 597 and 582 BCE) are fictitious? Because if that is your assertion, there is nothing further to discuss.

[quetzalcoatl]

Because I can. Debunk the fabricated promised land and chosen people myths.

Okay, debunked (was this ever in doubt?) Now let's talk about driving out all colonisers. This means you.

[Mujahid_X]

Assyians ruled over what's now called Jerusalem indeed. Then the Babylonians untill the Achaemenids. Till Alexander the great. Till the Ptolemies. Till Seleucids.

Till the Mackabees for a lil while. 170 years total.

Muslims ruled it for 1000+ years however.