[QatzelOk]

"God" is the reason that multinationals are funding terrorism in order to scoop up local infrastructure for pennies.

The three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) were all spread by business interests. And they all have a central "God" figure who "created" the world. This creator can be understood to "own" his creation. Suddenly, ownership (by a male patriarch) is understood as natural and healthy.

And it is this "ownership" myth (that a person or deity can singularly do what he wants with his own piece of the earth) is the most important one in these three cults.

See, businessmen needed to convince animists to let them "alter" the lands in order to increase the production of something profitable (food, cotton, etc.). But the animists worshiped and respected the earth exactly as they found it, and believed profoundly that no person or organization could "own" the land, the water or the air.

You can see why businessmen would promote the idea of ownership: self-interest.

[blackjack21]

Are we all firing on genius today or what?

Yeah. It's something like that. We take and we give. And you love us, and you hate us. But the deeper injury is that you know it, and you need us. And that's the thing. That's what kills you. You need us.

[SolarCross]

Gibberish and nonsense as usual from Qatz. So pagan Rome or confucian China had no concept of land ownership? LOL.

Land ownership is as old as agriculture, so much older than your judaic god. Necessity was the true mother of that invention. Agriculture requires exclusive usuage of discrete parcels of land hence ownership becomes a requirement.

[QatzelOk]

Land ownership is as old as agriculture...

And the idea of a "God" for whom we are His "sheep" is as old as agriculture as well. This is why Rome was required to "convert" Europe to something Abrahamic, and then to convert itself to a more productive mindset in the 4th Century.

If Rome hadn't forced Europeans to become Abrahamic slaves, then perhaps the earth would have rid itself of this dangerous and violent superstition before any of us were born.

Agriculture was a technology that required an artificial reality. Why? To calm fears that this new gadget would destroy the earth. Animists believed that changing the earth would destroy it. Only Abrahamics were strong enough to destroy them (and their prudence) completely.

Abrahamics have been brainwashed into seeing the world in agricultural terms: God as farmer, people as sheep, ideas as seeds, etc.

It's a seriously flawed way to think because it limits our metaphors and our understanding of the world around us to... farming. Which is no more natural or sustainable than nuclear power, in the long run.

[SolarCross]

The Romans had agriculture long before jesus rumbled the joint as did the people with which they fought and the people they didn't fight: Gauls, Iberians, Angles, Germans, Goths, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Jute, Greeks... The story of pagan rome is a story of farmers fighting farmers. You have to go way back to prehistoric times to find the beginnings of agriculture in europe.

Evidence of oat harvesting dating to 30,600 BC has been found in Paglicci Cave, Italy.

And you ignore the east asians: again agricultural land owners since the year dot.

[blackjack21]

It's a seriously flawed way to think because it limits our metaphors and our understanding of the world around us to... farming. Which is no more natural or sustainable than nuclear power, in the long run.

Forgetting that we're the only species that cook our food and are beholden to fire... I'm not even going to ask the question. Fucking A. We're on the same wavelength today, but I'm an angry white man so don't saddle up to me... We can be trouble.

[abu_rashid]

Ownership is a right, but welfare is a responsibility.

Islam might promote ownership, trade, prosperity, but it also requires giving back and not being excessive.

[QatzelOk]

Ownership is a right, but welfare is a responsibility.

When a few powerful people are allowed to own everything, welfare becomes a default lifestyle for those who are bumped out of being able to live off the interest of nature.

Likewise, when children became "the property of their parents only", rather than the mutually-shared responsibility of the tribe, monogamy became a rule.

None of this is healthy or sustainable. The Abrahamic religions are just "education" and "a campaign to change behavior" just like bike helmets and foot-binding.

The Abrahamic "God" is one of technology-increase and materialism, of a guaranteed apocalypse and really dumbed-down and apathetic people.

[Prosthetic Conscience]

I haven't read your posts for years, Qatz. Have you renounced Islam, or are you just heavily criticising your own religion?

[QatzelOk]

Ownership is a right, but welfare is a responsibility.

Islam might promote ownership, trade, prosperity, but it also requires giving back and not being excessive.

Once the people at the top have all the power, they usually drop all the fake "responsibility to the least fortunate" crap and start using terror tactics like arbitrary laws, salary cuts, austerity, and non-stop wars.

The "do unto other" charity component of Abrahamic religions is just there to bring in the sheep. So of what Bernie Sanders is doing for that great Abrahamic worshiper/AIPAC-whore Hillary Clinton.