[Hindsite]

The worldwide flood hypothesis is not supported by any evidence, and that's why it is not used as a factor.

Even if the carbon dating is off by 1000 years, it still shows a world older than 6,000 years, making your Young Earth bullshit the non-science that it is.

There is much evidence that support a worldwide flood. Since we are getting way off topic I could start another thread with some of the evidence that support a worldwide flood. The evidence is enormous, but I am sure you are not really interested in that.

[Godstud]

Bullshit. Are you going to show me more pathetic videos with 2000 views and consider this to be fact? You evidence turns out to be anything BUT evidence.

Since you don't know what this word means:
Evidence
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

"Noah's Flood" Not Rooted in Reality, After All?
Marine geologist Liviu Giosan and colleagues carbon-dated the shells of pristine mollusk fossils, which the researchers say bear no evidence of epic flooding.

Found in sediment samples taken from where the Black Sea meets the Danube River, the shells "weren't eroded, agitated, or moved," said Giosan, of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Massachusetts. "We know the mud is exactly the same age as the shells and so can determine what the sea level was about 9,400 years ago."

The results suggest the Black Sea rose 15 to 30 feet (5 to 10 meters), rather than the 150 to 195 feet (50 to 60 meters) first suggested 13 years ago by Columbia University geologist William Ryan and colleagues. Ryan declined to be interviewed for this story.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... flood.html

Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology
https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.co ... mythology/

[Besoeker]

Bullshit. Are you going to show me more pathetic videos with 2000 views and consider this to be fact?

Count on it.

[ingliz]

Comparisons between the radiocarbon ages of wood and shell found at the same
location in ice-age deposits have shown differences in excess of 1000 years.

Radiocarbon publishes the IntCal13, SHCal13, and Marine13 radiocarbon age calibration curves with their datasets. A full list of the IntCal13 and Marine13 data sets, along with information on the online database structure and usage, and access to the database is available at http://intcal.qub.ac.uk/intcal13/.

[Hindsite]

Comparisons between the radiocarbon ages of wood and shell found at the same
location in ice-age deposits have shown differences in excess of 1000 years.
Radiocarbon publishes the IntCal13, SHCal13, and Marine13 radiocarbon age calibration curves with their datasets. A full list of the IntCal13 and Marine13 data sets, along with information on the online database structure and usage, and access to the database is available at http://intcal.qub.ac.uk/intcal13/.

However, it all keeps changing and is not settled science as your previous reference indicated. Even according to your own reference Carbon 14 dating only works on plant material that is not contaminated, and the older it is the less accurate the dating becomes. And according to your own reference, there is a practical limit of 26,00 years old in dating those materials that can be dated using carbon 14.

The oldest living trees, such as the Bristlecone Pines (Pinus longaeva) of the White Mountains of Eastern California, were dated in 1957 by counting tree rings at 4,723 years old. This would mean they pre-dated the Flood which occurred around 4,350 years ago, taking a straightforward approach to Biblical chronology.

However, when the interpretation of scientific data contradicts the true history of the world as revealed in the Bible, then it’s the interpretation of the data that is at fault. It’s important to remember that we have limited data, and new discoveries have often overturned previous ‘hard facts’.

Recent research on seasonal effects on tree rings in other trees in the same genus, the plantation pine Pinus radiata, has revealed that up to five rings per year can be produced and extra rings are often indistinguishable, even under the microscope, from annual rings. Evidence of false rings in any woody tree species would cast doubt on claims that any particular species has never in the past produced false rings.

No actual dead wood has ever been carbon 14 dated anywhere close to 4,000 years old to my knowledge.

[ingliz]

There are two techniques in measuring radiocarbon in samples—through radiometric dating ((LSC) and by Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS). More expensive than radiometric dating, AMS dating has higher precision.

Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS)

Range: From Present Day back to 47,000 years BP

– Detection Limits: 47,000 BP

In practice:

Mindful of the variances in detection limits illuminated in the various International Radiocarbon Intercalibration Studies, Beta Analytic has set a real and conservative limit of greater than 43500 BP when the activity of the material is statistically the same as the background. This is a credible number based on the lab’s own internal AMS limits. As such, the lab does not quote finite ages in excess of 43500 BP. Samples that yield an activity at or below this are reported as “greater than” 43500 BP.

[Hindsite]

There are two techniques in measuring radiocarbon in samples—through radiometric dating ((LSC) and by Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS). More expensive than radiometric dating, AMS dating has higher precision.

Being able to better detect c-14 does not translate into being able to more accurately calculate estimated ages of different objects to 40,000 or so years old is bogus, because there is nothing on earth today that is anywhere near that old.

[ingliz]

there is nothing on earth today that is anywhere near that old.

Are you sure?

I think this proves the point that the moon and the earth can be 4,600,000,000 years old

[Hindsite]

Yes, I am sure.

All it really proved was that the rate of recession of the moon was not a good argument for a young earth like the guy in the video believed it was. However, it does not prove the age of the earth is billions of years old either.

The earth can also be about 6,000 years old too, by using the figures in the Holy Bible to calculate it.

[anasawad]

Persian nation is older than 6000 years old.
Egyptian , Chinese and japanese nations are older than 6000 years old.

[Hindsite]

Persian nation is older than 6000 years old.
Egyptian , Chinese and japanese nations are older than 6000 years old.

Not so. Who told you this nonsense?

[Godstud]

Oh sorry, Hindsite. He's relying on historic evidence and science, not idiotic superstition and religious dogma, for his information.

There are also 10,000-year-old human and animal figurines from Teppe Sarab in Kermanshah Province among many other ancient artifacts.[14] Early agricultural communities such as Chogha Golan in 10,000 BC[17][18] along with settlements such as Chogha Bonut (the earliest village in Susiana) in 8000 BC,[19][20] began to flourish in and around the Zagros Mountains region in western Iran.[21] Around about the same time the earliest known clay vessels and modeled human and animal terracotta figurines were produced at Ganj Dareh, also in western Iran.[21]
The south-western part of Iran was part of the Fertile Crescent where most of humanity's first major crops were grown, in villages such as Susa (where a settlement was first founded possibly as early as 4395 cal BC)[22] and settlements such as Chogha Mish, dating back to 6800 BC;[1][23] there are 7,000-year-old jars of wine excavated in the Zagros Mountains[24] (now on display at the University of Pennsylvania) and ruins of 7,000-year-old settlements such as Sialk are further testament to that. The two main Neolithic Iranian settlements were the Zayandeh River Culture and Ganj Dareh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran

[Hindsite]

Oh sorry, Hindsite. He's relying on historic evidence and science, not idiotic superstition and religious dogma, for his information.

There are also 10,000-year-old human and animal figurines from Teppe Sarab in Kermanshah Province among many other ancient artifacts.[14] Early agricultural communities such as Chogha Golan in 10,000 BC[17][18] along with settlements such as Chogha Bonut (the earliest village in Susiana) in 8000 BC,[19][20] began to flourish in and around the Zagros Mountains region in western Iran.[21] Around about the same time the earliest known clay vessels and modeled human and animal terracotta figurines were produced at Ganj Dareh, also in western Iran.[21]
The south-western part of Iran was part of the Fertile Crescent where most of humanity's first major crops were grown, in villages such as Susa (where a settlement was first founded possibly as early as 4395 cal BC)[22] and settlements such as Chogha Mish, dating back to 6800 BC;[1][23] there are 7,000-year-old jars of wine excavated in the Zagros Mountains[24] (now on display at the University of Pennsylvania) and ruins of 7,000-year-old settlements such as Sialk are further testament to that. The two main Neolithic Iranian settlements were the Zayandeh River Culture and Ganj Dareh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran

It should be obvious, that those dates are all guesses, most of them bad guesses.

[Godstud]

Anything that doesn't agree with your stupid dogma is BAD. That doesn't mean, of course, that it isn't true.

The scientific consensus is that the world is far older than 6,000 years. That 99.9999% of scientists(real scientists not pseudo ones) think this, is because of the immense amount of evidence pointing to this.

[Rei Murasame]

Not so. Who told you this nonsense?

Jomon civilisation (which covered Siberia, the Japanese archipelago, Alaska, and etc) is almost 14,000 years old as well, as are the length of time that the mutations that define these groups have existed. Also, EDAR370A, which is the defining 'East Asian phenotype' gene which codes for heavier and bouncier hair, small boobs, and a higher density of sweat glands, along with oval shaped eyes, is 30,000 years old.

Ancient people's have texts that talk about stuff from longer than 6000 years ago. So even if you want to ignore science, all you have to do is look in the face of people who are non-white and ask them to tell you their oral religious history, and they'll start describing a story longer than 6000 years. How does this discrepancy come about?

[SolarCross]

Hindsite I think you should seriously explore this hypothesis: that the old testament was originally intended to be a work of fiction but which, over the generations, became treated as history as people forgot its origins. You have heard of the Illiad and its sequel the Odyssey? They are very ancient stories from ancient, ancient greece (long before even those people we think of as ancient greeks like Plato and Alexander) and ripping good yarns to boot, still entertaining to this day, witness Hollywood's remake of the Illiad that they renamed "Troy". Well these stories are generally credited to have been authored by a man (or possibly a woman) we know by the name Homer, we know very little about him, well nothing actually, except his name is attached to the two stories since well forever. Now here is the fun part: the Illiad is a fairly serious political drama without too much magic and weirdness but its direct sequel the Odyssey is rammed full of sorceresses, magical islands, sea monsters, cyclopes and other high fantasy elements. Now if you read, heard or saw just the Iliad you might be forgiven for taking it to be an actual history of real events but the Odyssey is wildly the opposite. Okay so what do you suppose Homer's intentions were in composing these stories? Was he delusional? Unlikely. Was he trying to deceive people into believing falsehoods? He would have nothing to gain. Or was he consciously creating fictions in order to amuse and entertain as is the purpose of fiction and the fiction composer? At the very least the Odyssey looks like wild fiction, composed to amuse and entertain, the Iliad by itself is plausibly a history of actual events, but see fictions emulating histories is as much a technique of fiction as using larger than life fantasies, because the enjoyment of a story is increased the easier it is to believe that it is real. Story tellers still do this, ever seen the film Fargo? Everything in the story is very plain and mundane and down to earth yet at the same time all the plain and simple characters end up in a mad tangle of tragedy that results in almost everyone being murdered and/or arrested for very serious crimes, oh and a suitcase full of money is tantalizingly lost in a snowdrift. The film finishes with "based on a true story" in the final credits. Actually as the authors later admit they made the entire thing up, it is pure fiction, not a true story at all just a story teller's gambit to enhance the "suspension of disbelief". Right so the Illiad is fiction and so is the Oddessey but see these stories were that good that they have survived to this day and for many centuries ancient greeks of generations long after homer passed away took those stories, even the Odyssey, as history. As the story outlives the story teller that can happen.

Now on to the Old Testament. We know that it was first composed or at least written down by some primitive hebrews during their captivity as slaves in Babylon. It was in Babylon that they first learned the art of writing from the Babylonians. Babylon at the time was a cosmopolitan city of a thousand cultures and even more gods. It was already ancient by the time the Hebrews were dragged there but not as ancient as the neighbouring civilisation of Sumeria which at that time was long past its prime. Sumeria did have its own great stories comparable to the Illiad one of them that is quite well preserved even today is the Epic of Gilgamesh. This epic contains an enormous number of characters and plot elements also found in modified form, in the Old Testament, too many to be coincidence. In the epic of Gilgamesh there is a great Flood, a trickster serpent, an ark in which specimens of all the animals are saved from the great flood, there is even a magical fruit that grants immortality..... See it looks very, very likely that the Hebrews could have heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh whilst in Babylon and plagiarised it to make their own fictions. Why plagiarise at all why not make up stories that were wholly original? Well if you have ever sat down and tried to write a fictional story without drawing at least something from real life or other stories you will have realised that is a fairly tough thing to do. Plagarism, or more politely "drawing inspiration" is just the faster path to a good story. So why not create a story exactly the same as your source material? Because if you don't change and add to the story you haven't made it your own. If the hebrews just copied the Epic of Gilgamesh word for word it would still be the epic of Gilgamesh a Sumerian story and not their story. So the hebrews learned the art of story telling and of writing from their Babylonian masters and they learned of diverse stories from all around the region also through their Babylonian masters and were inspired to show their worth by crafting their own stories drawing bits and pieces from other people's works like the Epic of Gilgamesh. These stories are written down, told and retold, from one generation to the next and the millennia pass. Then with exact origins forgotten the descendants of these story tellers are taking the stories for history not fiction.. just like later peoples did of the Illiad.

Sorry that was a bit rambling but what do you think?

[anasawad]

Well. In the city of Damghan where i was born. My tribe's archive lies.
Our recorded history began around 1800 BC. Around 200 years after we split from our mother tribe Roujam.
Roujam have known and recorded history starting around 4000-5000 BC. ( was orally then scrippted latter on). Meaning that they are older than 6000 years of age.
Their known history began when they first immigrated into central Asia and Iran. Before that they were in south west of Russia but no one knows for how long or where from exactly.

(BTW. Those are the local names. If you want to dig into our history search for Parnioi, Parni. There are others but Parni is one of the very ols if not the oldest so you can start with it).

[Hindsite]

Jomon civilisation (which covered Siberia, the Japanese archipelago, Alaska, and etc) is almost 14,000 years old as well, as are the length of time that the mutations that define these groups have existed. Also, EDAR370A, which is the defining 'East Asian phenotype' gene which codes for heavier and bouncier hair, small boobs, and a higher density of sweat glands, along with oval shaped eyes, is 30,000 years old.

Ancient people's have texts that talk about stuff from longer than 6000 years ago. So even if you want to ignore science, all you have to do is look in the face of people who are non-white and ask them to tell you their oral religious history, and they'll start describing a story longer than 6000 years. How does this discrepancy come about?

I would say through error. However, that is only an educated guess.

[Godstud]

That is an UNeducated guess, since not everything that isn't dogma, is an error, or a mistake. You're quick to counter any evidence with "it's a mistake", or "it's an error", when these are people who are making very educated guesses, based on evidence. Your dogma of your religion is making you dismiss reality.

[Hindsite]

Hindsite I think you should seriously explore this hypothesis: that the old testament was originally intended to be a work of fiction but which, over the generations, became treated as history as people forgot its origins.
......
Sorry that was a bit rambling but what do you think?

I think there were inaccurate and fictional accounts of history in the past, but the Holy Bible is accurate history written down by holy men inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. The historical accuracy of events in the Holy Bible has been verified by archaeological evidence discovered from time to time.